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Re: AFL Rd 7 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong at the MCG

Reply #45 –
Jack Darling was a lauded pick up as a top 22 player at the start of the year, all the stuff I've heard since the weekend is that he's a washed up dud. But he was acquired to "fill a role", "free up others" and provide "depth".
Funny I would have thought that his previous years' were a good guide what to expect in 2025. 
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?

Re: AFL Rd 7 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong at the MCG

Reply #46 –
Quote from: LordLucifer – on
Quote from: kruddler – on
A top up player can be good value at the right price and right availability. Doesn't have to be best 22.

How many more top up players do you want ??

Fantasia
Haynes
Lord
Boyd
White
Cincotta
Evans
Cottrell
O'Keeffe
Duffy
Monahan

11 players out of 45, that's 25% of our playing list that are top up options (i.e. undrafted & untraded for).

Not sure your figures are exactly accurate, but that is besides the point. A top up player can be traded for, and drafted, so your logic is wrong anyway.

Let me put it this way....
Monaghan
Duffy
Okeefe
Lemmey
B. Camporeale
L. Camporeale
Smith
White
O'Farrell
Wilson
Charleson
Carroll

If you want to extend that out to 5 games or less, you can also include....
Moir
Binns
Lord

That is 15 players on our list who have played 5 games or less......1/3rd of our list.
You need to pick 23 players each week.
On our list, we have 45 players.

So if you were to exclude the 15 kids mentioned above, that means you have a total of 30 players to pick from with AFL experience.....before you get injuries.
Of course, that includes some names like, Evans, Fantasia...and you've lost Newman for the year.

You are now down to 27 AFL players to choose from and a bunch of essentially untried kids..

How many injuries do you reckon we have on any given week?
How many players have we got left to choose from now??

....and people wonder why we started 0-4 when we had average of about 10 players over that time.

We currently have too many kids and not enough senior ready players.

Thankfully, Lucas Camporeale, Matt Carroll and Will White have exceeded all expectations thus far and Cooper Lord appears to have taken it up a notch as well. We all hope Jagga will be a gun. That still leaves 11 players who are giant question marks at this stage.

So how much depth do i want?
Some would be nice.

Re: AFL Rd 7 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong at the MCG

Reply #47 –
McKay, Cowan and Docherty in for this game.

Re: AFL Rd 7 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong at the MCG

Reply #48 –
Can't see it myself
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?

Re: AFL Rd 7 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong at the MCG

Reply #49 –
That's what it is
No outs yet.

Re: AFL Rd 7 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong at the MCG

Reply #50 –
Subject to getting through our main training session, we have eight players named on an extended bench.  At the risk of offending sentimentalists, the only one of that eight whose form doesn’t really warrant selection is Doc … but he may have trained the house down this week.

The bottom line is that it’s likely that there will be three players who are stiff not to make the final 23.  Then there’s the likes of Pitto, Lemmey, Boyd, Charleson, Binns and Evans, whose VFL form must have pleased the MC, and the Camporeale twins, Moir, O’Farrell and Wilson aren’t far off.

I suspect that a few other clubs would love to have our depth.



It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

Re: AFL Rd 7 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong at the MCG

Reply #51 –
Quote from: DJC – on
Subject to getting through our main training session, we have eight players named on an extended bench.  At the risk of offending sentimentalists, the only one of that eight whose form doesn’t really warrant selection is Doc … but he may have trained the house down this week.

The bottom line is that it’s likely that there will be three players who are stiff not to make the final 23.  Then there’s the likes of Pitto, Lemmey, Boyd, Charleson, Binns and Evans, whose VFL form must have pleased the MC, and the Camporeale twins, Moir, O’Farrell and Wilson aren’t far off.

I suspect that a few other clubs would love to have our depth.

Take off the navy glasses DJC. Half of those players won't be on the list in a year or 2, their form is far from AFL level form.

Re: AFL Rd 7 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong at the MCG

Reply #52 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
Quote from: DJC – on
Subject to getting through our main training session, we have eight players named on an extended bench.  At the risk of offending sentimentalists, the only one of that eight whose form doesn’t really warrant selection is Doc … but he may have trained the house down this week.

The bottom line is that it’s likely that there will be three players who are stiff not to make the final 23.  Then there’s the likes of Pitto, Lemmey, Boyd, Charleson, Binns and Evans, whose VFL form must have pleased the MC, and the Camporeale twins, Moir, O’Farrell and Wilson aren’t far off.

I suspect that a few other clubs would love to have our depth.

Take off the navy glasses DJC. Half of those players won't be on the list in a year or 2, their form is far from AFL level form.

Let's revisit that in two years.

I'd say Evans will be gone and Binns will have to find some form to stay but the rest will be fixtures.
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

Re: AFL Rd 7 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong at the MCG

Reply #53 –
Quote from: DJC – on
Quote from: kruddler – on


Take off the navy glasses DJC. Half of those players won't be on the list in a year or 2, their form is far from AFL level form.

Let's revisit that in two years.

I'd say Evans will be gone and Binns will have to find some form to stay but the rest will be fixtures.

I think this might be a 'make or break' year for Wilson.
He shows a bit from time to time but not enough to press for senior time.

Moir is an enigma.
Could be 'anything' or not make it...he's also a bit of a wait and see.

Whether Pitto is on our  list will depend to a large extent on whether DeKoning goes, and how O'Keefe develops.

I also have hopes for the others though....

Lemmey is getting better.
Boyd is unlucky not to be in the side. There is obviously something he's been asked to work on.

Re: AFL Rd 7 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong at the MCG

Reply #54 –
Interesting listening to Mitchell discussing coaching against C Scott. Apparently you have to really be on your toes as Scott is very tactical/strategic game day and doesn't hesitate to make changes. So he's -- no surprise -- an excellent game day coach. This will be a big test for our coaching lads on Sunday.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: AFL Rd 7 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong at the MCG

Reply #55 –
Quote from: Baggers – on
Interesting listening to Mitchell discussing coaching against C Scott. Apparently you have to really be on your toes as Scott is very tactical/strategic game day and doesn't hesitate to make changes. So he's -- no surprise -- an excellent game day coach. This will be a big test for our coaching lads on Sunday.
Simpson was even better to listen to about Scott. He was asked which coach trouble him the most and the Answer was C Scott. He reckons they couldn't figure out how Geel created the spare man so willingly in all areas of the ground. He said in the end, they just conceded on it and worked on what else they could do to combat him/them.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: AFL Rd 7 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong at the MCG

Reply #56 –
Quote from: DJC – on
Quote from: kruddler – on


Take off the navy glasses DJC. Half of those players won't be on the list in a year or 2, their form is far from AFL level form.

Let's revisit that in two years.

I'd say Evans will be gone and Binns will have to find some form to stay but the rest will be fixtures.

Evans, Wilson, binns should be gone end of year.
Ofarrell and Charles in havnt shown anything yet, but are freshies, so will get more time. Same as Campos.
Pitto is contracted for a couple more so will be there unless we trade him.
Boyd appears to be on the outs for whatever reason.
That leaves us with lemmey and moir from your list. That comes with the caveat of how hard up we are for list spots and how willing we are to wait for them. Potential, but unrealised.

Re: AFL Rd 7 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong at the MCG

Reply #57 –
I've just moved the last couple of posts on discussion of the list changes over to the "List Management" thread
Can we continue the discussion there and leave this thread to the pre-match

Re: AFL Rd 7 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong at the MCG

Reply #58 –
I was going to comment but decided against it.  My point is a general one, the fortunes of any one player on our list are directly tied to what's available, where our cap is, and what older players fall out.   In a world where names are on a team sheet, certain players will go, and others will stay.  Thing is, these youngsters have time on their side, and some of our older players are approaching a cliff.  That might mean someone like doch and newman retires instantly giving wilson another year as an example.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: AFL Rd 7 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong at the MCG

Reply #59 –
Cant see Wilson making it, was an odd choice imo and never saw the hype around him.