Carlton Supporters Club

when the opposition starts to RUN and SPREAD our slow players cannot match or rise to this level , so thks to sos and now Austin we are in the same position as all the other years and it vey disappointing and sad . I don't care about Coleman medalist or any other medal , i care about a successful game plan / system  and we haven't got one for the last 2 yrs.

Hoping Mr Cook is all over it. We have to back him in. interesting to hear him on 3AW last night. Absolutely no panic, we will bounce back. Wright is working with Cook 3 days a week. Surely
between the two of them they can spot the obvious.

Have faith. I turn 65 tomorrow and was hoping for a great present last night.
Guess I'll just have to watch the 95 Grand Final again......

Quote from: PaulP – on April 04, 2025, 11:29:23 am

I would suggest that our issues are meta and go well beyond personnel. We have turned over more than any other club in the last 20 odd years, and no group of individuals has made much of a dent, although some have been more successful than others. The club as an abstract entity seems to be in a kind of paralysis or fug, and IMO no amount of personnel change will help. The land is barren, and no amount of hole digging, changing the shape of the hole, using different implements to dig etc., will change that. There's something fundamental about "being Carlton" that needs to change.

I think this is a great post and sadly very close to the mark Paul

Over the years the "we are Carlton and f$&# the rest" hasn't really worked and at times I think many still see Carlton as the 80's and 90's powerhouse.   

The reality is that in the current day we aren't elite at anything on or off the field.   The days of the top end of Collins Street throwing cash at the best players in Kernahan, Bradley and Naley are gone.

We still wait for our white knight to come in a fix everything.

- Pratt's Millions
- Denis Pagan
- Mick Malthouse
- Greg Swann
- Chris Judd
- Mathieson and Pokies Money
- Number 1 draft pick in Murphy, Gibbs and Kruezer.
- Brian Cook
- Andrew Russell
- Patrick Cripps
- Next in line Graham Wright

These guys are successful before they came to Carlton and in cases like Swann are successful after they leave but often, they get frog marched out of Carlton as being the cause for our lack of on field success.  

We stand back and wait for these guys to save us.

So what is wrong at Carlton?    I still remember getting Luke Williams across from Geelong as a key recruiter only for him to resign not much later staggered at our recruitment set up and systems.   Lasted from May to November.

"Williams was lured to Carlton from Geelong in what was lauded as a major coup in May given he'd been the right-hand man to guru recruiter Stephen Wells."

Do former Carlton powerbrokers and past players have too much influence at the club?   Are guys like Cook and even Voss given the power to make changes?

Why do guys like Clarkson and Ross Lyon turn their nose at us?

How many days are we away from a Bruce Mathieson savaging via the Herald Sun?

I agree Paul.   Something is rotten in the state of Denmark

I'm not suggesting any one group is right or wrong, but there are many supporters who feel that they have been very patient, and any unloading on the club is justified. I don't agree, and I think it creates more problems than it solves, but those folks certainly feel pretty strongly about it.

Also, Dan Houston has copped a two match ban for the Fogarty bump.

I'm not suggesting any one group is right or wrong, but there are many supporters who feel that they have been very patient, and any unloading on the club is justified. I don't agree, and I think it creates more problems than it solves, but those folks certainly feel pretty strongly about it.

2 matches doesn’t seem enough - hasn’t he got prior form with this?

Okay but seriously we have had a number of award winning players for quite a few years now and surely a list can be built around them by now to have a competitive winning team fielded each week?

Its something i said a while ago. One of the biggest problems at Carlton is its supporter base and its emotional, impatient demands.
The pressure we put on the club forces it to act and act without thinking everything through sometimes.....more often than not.

Quote from: Micky0 – on April 04, 2025, 04:45:24 pm

Okay but seriously we have had a number of award winning players for quite a few years now and surely a list can be built around them by now to have a competitive winning team fielded each week?

That's one valid perspective I guess. I would argue that we are competitive, but inconsistent.

There's a lot of moving parts in a football club, and a lot of things need to go right to win a flag, both inside and outside the club. It's not just a mechanical process IMO.

Quote from: Shakin77 – on April 04, 2025, 01:12:34 pm

I think this is a great post and sadly very close to the mark Paul

Over the years the "we are Carlton and f$&# the rest" hasn't really worked and at times I think many still see Carlton as the 80's and 90's powerhouse.   

The reality is that in the current day we aren't elite at anything on or off the field.   The days of the top end of Collins Street throwing cash at the best players in Kernahan, Bradley and Naley are gone.

We still wait for our white knight to come in a fix everything.

- Pratt's Millions
- Denis Pagan
- Mick Malthouse
- Greg Swann
- Chris Judd
- Mathieson and Pokies Money
- Number 1 draft pick in Murphy, Gibbs and Kruezer.
- Brian Cook
- Andrew Russell
- Patrick Cripps
- Next in line Graham Wright

These guys are successful before they came to Carlton and in cases like Swann are successful after they leave but often, they get frog marched out of Carlton as being the cause for our lack of on field success.  

We stand back and wait for these guys to save us.

So what is wrong at Carlton?    I still remember getting Luke Williams across from Geelong as a key recruiter only for him to resign not much later staggered at our recruitment set up and systems.   Lasted from May to November.

"Williams was lured to Carlton from Geelong in what was lauded as a major coup in May given he'd been the right-hand man to guru recruiter Stephen Wells."

Do former Carlton powerbrokers and past players have too much influence at the club?   Are guys like Cook and even Voss given the power to make changes?

Why do guys like Clarkson and Ross Lyon turn their nose at us?

How many days are we away from a Bruce Mathieson savaging via the Herald Sun?

I agree Paul.   Something is rotten in the state of Denmark

Its something i said a while ago. One of the biggest problems at Carlton is its supporter base and its emotional, impatient demands. Wow, K, that is one sweeping generalisation mate. To label one of biggest problems at our club being our supporter base, and this supporter base being 'emotional' with impatient demands is kind of bewildering. I call it passionate, rather than emotional and this passion is something I love about our club. Yes, there is the extreme fringe who take it too far with silly knee jerk reactions and comments but don't we just ignore this minority? And who cares about their demands... certainly not our current administration, which Brian Cook made very clear.
The pressure we put on the club forces it to act and act without thinking everything through sometimes.....more often than not. In the past we might have had weak administrations that bowed to such pressure, but not any more. Thank the gods.

The interview with Cook said as much, without saying it.
I'm paraphrasing here but it was something like....
There are unique challenges at Carlton and they have a very passionate supporter base, that is largely a positive.

Implying, its sometimes negative and causes issues that you wouldn't get elsewhere. I think you're putting words in Cooky's mouth with that assumption of what you think he is implying. I got that he loves our passion and that it is indeed unique and a terrific thing that comes with the CFC. Some of the extremes might be somewhat irritating, but of little consequence.

I've been on rants about Mathieson and co before and the sooner we distance ourselves from those types, the better we will be.
We've improved that area, at least we appear to have improved, but i don't think we are out of the woods yet. Yep, agree. There has been improvement, though I think the improvement is significant but is perhaps being tested by our current situation.

We need a strong president who is well respected and doesn't take crap....but also doesn't speak crap and cause issues. Someone like that we can build behind and get everyone else on board. Priestly doesn't scream that to me so we may be waiting a while.

I think it has become a vicious cycle. Instability causes on field inconsistency, the supporters demand success and when it doesn't come, the club reacts, causing more instability, which leads to the cycle staring again. It's no surprise that clubs who struggle to be successful are also the most unstable. Saints, North, Essendon, Carlton.