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Who is in our best 22?

1 - Jack Silvagni
[ 7 ] (1.6%)
2 - Lachie Cowan
[ 13 ] (3%)
3 - Jesse Motlop
[ 11 ] (2.5%)
4 - Oliver Hollands
[ 13 ] (3%)
5 - Adam Cerra
[ 20 ] (4.6%)
6 - Zac Williams
[ 20 ] (4.6%)
7 - Jagga Smith
[ 15 ] (3.4%)
8 - Lachie Fogarty
[ 13 ] (3%)
9 - Patrick Cripps
[ 20 ] (4.6%)
10 - Harry McKay
[ 20 ] (4.6%)
11 - Mitch McGovern
[ 19 ] (4.3%)
12 - Tom De Koning
[ 20 ] (4.6%)
13 - Blake Acres
[ 20 ] (4.6%)
14 - Orazio Fantasia
[ 1 ] (0.2%)
15 - Sam Docherty
[ 15 ] (3.4%)
16 - Ben Camporeale
[ 0 ] (0%)
17 - Brodie Kemp
[ 16 ] (3.6%)
18 - Sam Walsh
[ 20 ] (4.6%)
19 - Corey Durdin
[ 2 ] (0.5%)
20 - Elijah Hollands
[ 19 ] (4.3%)
21 - Lucas Camporeale
[ 0 ] (0%)
22 - Harry O'Farrell
[ 0 ] (0%)
23 - Jacob Weitering
[ 20 ] (4.6%)
24 - Nick Newman
[ 19 ] (4.3%)
25 - Jaxon Binns
[ 1 ] (0.2%)
26 - Nick Haynes
[ 14 ] (3.2%)
27 - Marc Pittonet
[ 0 ] (0%)
28 - Harry Charleson
[ 0 ] (0%)
29 - George Hewitt
[ 20 ] (4.6%)
30 - Charlie Curnow
[ 20 ] (4.6%)
31 - Harry Lemmey
[ 0 ] (0%)
33 - Lewis Young
[ 4 ] (0.9%)
34 - Rob Monahan
[ 0 ] (0%)
35 - Billy Wilson
[ 0 ] (0%)
36 - Cooper Lord
[ 4 ] (0.9%)
37 - Jordan Boyd
[ 12 ] (2.7%)
39 - Alex Cincotta
[ 4 ] (0.9%)
40 - Hudson O'Keeffe
[ 0 ] (0%)
41 - Matt Duffy
[ 1 ] (0.2%)
42 - Adam Saad
[ 20 ] (4.6%)
43 - Ashton Moir
[ 5 ] (1.1%)
46 - Matthew Cottrell
[ 11 ] (2.5%)

Total Members Voted: 20

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Re: Pick your best 22 of 2025 - Part 1 - Pre-season

Reply #30 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
Quote from: pinot – on


He is a lock but thats what I think - but in terms of best 22 today thats it any other questions?

*scratches head*
Your answers seem to create further questions, not answer them.

Maybe someone else can point out the logic there.

I think it depends if you're picking a best 22 to play a match or the best 22 players on the list.

Binns might be your number 24-25 best player.
But if you're picking for position he might be your second best wingman.

Re: Pick your best 22 of 2025 - Part 1 - Pre-season

Reply #31 –
Quote from: Lods – on
I think it depends if you're picking a best 22 to play a match or the best 22 players on the list.

Binns might be your number 24-25 best player.
But if you're picking for position he might be your second best wingman.

I think that the app Kruddler linked encourages one to pick the best combination of 22 players rather than the 22 best players.  At least, that’s how I approached selecting my best 22.

As much as I was impressed by Binnsy taking down Newey and his off season preparation, there’s no way that he’s best 25 or close to the fifth best winger.
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

Re: Pick your best 22 of 2025 - Part 1 - Pre-season

Reply #32 –
Quote from: DJC – on
Quote from: Lods – on
I think it depends if you're picking a best 22 to play a match or the best 22 players on the list.

Binns might be your number 24-25 best player.
But if you're picking for position he might be your second best wingman.

I think that the app Kruddler linked encourages one to pick the best combination of 22 players rather than the 22 best players.  At least, that’s how I approached selecting my best 22.

As much as I was impressed by Binnsy taking down Newey and his off season preparation, there’s no way that he’s best 25 or close to the fifth best winger.

Correct.

Its by position and with team balance in mind.

Re: Pick your best 22 of 2025 - Part 1 - Pre-season

Reply #33 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
Quote from: DJC – on


I think that the app Kruddler linked encourages one to pick the best combination of 22 players rather than the 22 best players.  At least, that’s how I approached selecting my best 22.

As much as I was impressed by Binnsy taking down Newey and his off season preparation, there’s no way that he’s best 25 or close to the fifth best winger.

Correct.

Its by position and with team balance in mind.

It's probably something we've stated in previous attempts at the exercise but perhaps it needs to be restated each time in the OP.

"We're looking at a team to take the field if everyone is fully fit."

I actually go through the list and pick my best 22 and if I can work a team with a semblance of balance around that I will.

Re: Pick your best 22 of 2025 - Part 1 - Pre-season

Reply #34 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
Correct.

Its by position and with team balance in mind.

Perhaps you should make that clear before each poll.
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

Re: Pick your best 22 of 2025 - Part 1 - Pre-season

Reply #35 –
I do write this....
"Personally, i think its best to pick a SIDE using this..."

Re: Pick your best 22 of 2025 - Part 1 - Pre-season

Reply #36 –

Ir's  not a biggie
Let's just make it clear for future polls we're picking a side not a best 22 ability wise.

In truth I've found there is actually not a lot of difference, and it comes down to a choice between a couple of players at the tail of the exercise.

Re: Pick your best 22 of 2025 - Part 1 - Pre-season

Reply #37 –
Sorry I don't do that, I select names and count to 22 and then as I find blokes further down the list who haven't made it in, I pick them and then drop whomever.

Ultimately, i think my 22 would least be representative of a team that would field the team together so sorry I'm skewing things.  I reckon I wouldn't have time to do it properly.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: Pick your best 22 of 2025 - Part 1 - Pre-season

Reply #38 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on
Sorry I don't do that, I select names and count to 22 and then as I find blokes further down the list who haven't made it in, I pick them and then drop whomever.

Ultimately, i think my 22 would least be representative of a team that would field the team together so sorry I'm skewing things.  I reckon I wouldn't have time to do it properly.

With the link i provided, i find it quicker to use that to form a best 22 side than it would be to do it your way, but maybe thats just me.

Re: Pick your best 22 of 2025 - Part 1 - Pre-season

Reply #39 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
With the link i provided, i find it quicker to use that to form a best 22 side than it would be to do it your way, but maybe thats just me.

I find using that site makes the best 22 selection a lot simpler ... until you get to the interchange and have 6-8 players to squeeze into four spots  ::)
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

Re: Pick your best 22 of 2025 - Part 1 - Pre-season

Reply #40 –
Quote from: Lods – on
Quote from: kruddler – on


*scratches head*
Your answers seem to create further questions, not answer them.

Maybe someone else can point out the logic there.

I think it depends if you're picking a best 22 to play a match or the best 22 players on the list.

Binns might be your number 24-25 best player.
But if you're picking for position he might be your second best wingman.

Yeah my line up consisted of experienced, hardened and tough bodies that go the distance for 22 rounds with zero youth exhuberance but you always need 2-3 of those floating around the edges of first team bonafides..

Unfortunately don't see any of these youngsters making 22under22 without opportunity. Apart from the usual suspects that are gifted games even after poor performances

Re: Pick your best 22 of 2025 - Part 1 - Pre-season

Reply #41 –
Realistically
O Hollands Weitering Haynes
Saad McGovern Boyd
Acres Cripps Walsh
Walsh McKay Williams
Kemp Curnow Motlop
De Koning Lord Smith
Cerra Cottrell Docherty Hewett Moir

For those who think HOKBALL is some new magic formula I present this rant:

There are those who think HOKBALL shows that the game is now a game for speed and/or endurance athletes. As long as you have at least VFL level skill and extreme athleticism you will be a handful. This is what separates HOKBALL from conventional football as we have known it.

So what if we went a team of uber-athletes? No Weitering, no Cripps, no Docherty. Now of course you don't leave those sorts of players out in real life, but in real life injuries will reliably open up at least those 3 spots. If not, a rotation policy can be applied to prevent the athletes totally burning out from my new concept:

BluesBlitzFußall (TM pending).

Of course, you still need to keep structure, so atI have one Ruck-sized defender, another genuine KP-size defender and someone who can at least at a pinch play 3rd tall Then three marking and three crumbing targets up forward. A genuine ruck-sized ruckman, a relief ruck of genuine ruck height, some inside grunt on-ball and all the electric speed we can cram in.

So here it is, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN !!!!

My high-summer
heat-stroke-induced
run-em-off-their-feet
and therefore unbeatable
athletes 23
(with emergencies).

Let's see the piss-n-poo guernseys keep up with this lot:

Cowan-Monahan-O. Hollands
Saad-McKay-Boyd
Acres-Lord-Walsh
Moir-Curnow-Williams
Kemp-McGovern-Fantasia
De Koning- Cincotta-Smith
Binns-Cottrell-Wilson-Young (23rd player Duffy)
Emergencies: Charleson-E. Hollands- O'Farrell

HOKBALL that you brown and gold pretenders!

Re: Pick your best 22 of 2025 - Part 1 - Pre-season

Reply #42 –
Dont buy into the hokball hype.  The Hawks have always had classy ball movers to play their game style, and have persisted doing something longer than most clubs do, where they blink and sack the coach and are reaping the benefits.  They have taken players who have ability and had a good run with injury, and are playing passionate footy.  Thats a winning formula and its why they fell short, because they were missing that 10% in quality at the key positions.  Adding tom Barrass will help them allow Sicily more leeway than having to do it all, and if their younger key talls who kicked on last year repeat what they showed, they will be good again, without the bullcrap hype that was attached to a phrase called hokball.

Nothing too special in terms of football, but smart, and dedicated.  Thats the key.  Whenever we get beaten, I usually see what I like to call, dumb football being played, where players get sucked into a contest they should likely stay out of, or are so eager to add pressure, they do it, without regard for playing the percentages, resulting in getting scored against. 

its why we lost to Geelong the first time last year, where players kept leaving their man, leaving a defensive outnumber, to pressure the ball carrier, and effectively took themselves out of the contest.  You watch, hawthorn DONT do this.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: Pick your best 22 of 2025 - Part 1 - Pre-season

Reply #43 –
You have to have your own game style and not try and emulate or compete with other teams perfected game style.
Trying to load up on too many quick players won't be any use if they can't get the ball or deliver it properly.
Our game is a heavily congested style where our big coalface mids bully the opposition and dominate the clearances and get the ball to our two key forwards.
I don't want to weaken that in favour of a outside running game and we need to set the agenda and game style not be forced into a high speed running game that suits other teams and who do it better anyway.
We waste a lot of forward entries and should be concentrating on better finishing when we have momentum.
Often those wasted opportunities lead to opposition rebound footy where they run the ball quickly forward and score and if we can tidy up our forward work then those pacy rebounds won't be so much of a problem.
 

Re: Pick your best 22 of 2025 - Part 1 - Pre-season

Reply #44 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
You have to have your own game style and not try and emulate or compete with other teams perfected game style.

If you try and copy another team, you are always playing catchup and won't be as good at it. In the meantime, something completely different might become 'the new way' and you are left trying again.

Much better to play to your strengths and not play catchup elsewhere.