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Reply #45 –
Quote from: Baggers – on
Musician Rick Beato here talking about the decline in music quality and creativity. He kind of summarises much of what we've been discussing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bZ0OSEViyo

Watched plenty of Rick Beato's stuff no youtube.  Not sure i've seen that one before though.
Perhaps would've been easier if i had, i could've posted the link and been done with it as he basically says the exact same thing i was trying to say. Even highlights early 2000's as the turning point, but at the same time using Cher's Believe as some reasoning behind it.
That came out in 1998.
I stated things changed mid-late 90's.


Nobody has to believe me.
Nobody has to agree.
But just be aware, that there are plenty of others who do agree and someone with Rick Beatos cred should be listened too.

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Reply #46 –
Quote from: LP – on
Amy Winehouse died in 2011, and I'd still probably have her the No.1 and most influential female artist of the 2000s!

Gimme your top 5 Amy songs

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Reply #47 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
Couple of points that i'd like to straighten out as it appears to be lost amongst the generalising.

1. I never said musicians can't be entertainers as well.
I said there are plenty of entertainers and artists, that i wouldn't call musicians. Regards to Elvis, he was a great entertainer, but wasn't doing anything revolutionary with his guitar. As Chubbs' from Happy Gilmore would say....."It's all in the hips".

2. I wasn't specifically talking about top 40 (honestly, couldn't tell you whats on it as i don't listen to it), but the majority of this discussion was based around that....but it is a little broader than that.

3. I did say there were exceptions. I'm not talking about classical, jazz or anything too far outside of 'pop music' in terms of talents. Those guys (and girls.....and 'others') are true musicians. As mentioned originally, those guys don't need power to play and modify (read fix/imrpove upon) what they do. They qualify.

4. re Nirvana vs Spice Girls.....
It was about musical talent. Not about what you were listening too or avoiding.
The spice girls were pushed upon people (outside of their music) with ads, movies etc. All of this outside of music.....which is my point.



Good points and fair-enough too, K.

Point 1. Yep, Elvis was no Hendrix on the geeeetar, but holy mackerel, he had a magnificent voice - and that's an instrument.
2.  Yep, most of the discussion is about the mainstream. Likewise, wouldn't have a clue what the top 10, 20, 40 or 100 is!
3. 100% same page.
4. Nirvana vs Spice Girls... I just laughed. Yet I have enjoyed music from both but a certain 'standards and expectations adjustment' has to take place.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17
 

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Reply #48 –
Quote from: LP – on
Amy Winehouse died in 2011, and I'd still probably have her the No.1 and most influential female artist of the 2000s!

Important observation, Spotted One. Yours truly has a very special appreciation for great vocalists. Other amazing female vocalists: Ann Wilson, Janis Joplin, so many Tamla Motown artists, Stevie Nicks etc.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

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Reply #49 –
Quote from: LP – on
Amy Winehouse died in 2011, and I'd still probably have her the No.1 and most influential female artist of the 2000s!

What a loss she was!  I probably didn't really start listening to Amy until after she died.  Amy was a very serious musician who spent a great deal of time listening to and researching the great female singers of the 20th century.

We could probably have a "Musicians who died in their prime" thread.  Jesse Younan would have to be right up there:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHDf8_ebhcY

“Why don’t you knock it off with them negative waves? Why don’t you dig how beautiful it is out here? Why don’t you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?”  Oddball

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Reply #50 –
From a performance perspective quantity and ownership is no measure of quality, hard to pick one and I'd say it waxes and wanes with mood, which is unique to special artists. Probably Back to Black, but I saw her perform live in Kingston, London.

Love is a Losing Game was also good, and a cover of Valerie I really liked, rest are a bit of a raffle, but that doesn't diminish her influence.

The live or acoustic stuff is very different from the pop people find on Youtube, much of it is a one off, although there is a great Back to Black acoustic solo on Youtube.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1TQRJWLZ3s
Band wise I saw Portishead live in the UK as well, back then and earlier the UK music had much of the globe easily covered in the my opinion. I was lucky back then I was in and out of Europe 3 or 4 times a year. Probably the best gig I've been to was Nick Cave Live in Dusseldorf, he sang in German I couldn't understand a thing and it probably made the concert even better! I saw him again in Melbourne at the Regent with the Dirty Three which was also special.

Greatest regret is I missed seeing Pink Floyd live, I had to come home after a longish trip but could have got tickets if I'd stayed an extra 3 or 4 days. My associates stayed and still talk about it.
"Ruck, ruck, ruck, ruck ....... Ruck, ruck, ruck, ruck"

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Reply #51 –
Never been a fan of Amy, and only song of hers i know for sure is Valerie, and thats because i was a big fan of The Zutons who did it first, only a year or so before! I have occassionally forced myself to listen, but it just hasn't happened.

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Reply #52 –
Seen some modern singers live as well, tend to prefer venues with grundgy carpet and the long lingering smell of cigarette butts. Before she was famous Lorde would sing at cafe's around the Auckland waterfront, her old man was her the roadie and chauffeur, The kid was good then, probably better than modern pop music permits her to be now. Not a overly big fan of US music, but saw Amanda Palmer live at the Speigeltent and thought she was quite good, much to my families disgust! But she is not acrobatics and laser beams like the US performers, basically sits at a piano and bangs out tunes like Elton John, dressed a bit like him as well! ;D

On Elton John, there was a bloke around Melbourne years ago who use to do live cover gigs in tiny little venues, I can't remember his name, he was a cracking performer, it can be hard to imagine how they don't have some success outside of the cover gigs.

Queen Works tour was good, Mercury was just on another level, The Cure was good as well.

Liked bits and pieces of Crowded House as well, but probably because back then we all drank at the same pub, so it has an influence.

Only music I can't get into is Country, don't ask me why, can't stand it.
"Ruck, ruck, ruck, ruck ....... Ruck, ruck, ruck, ruck"

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Reply #53 –
Quote from: LP – on
Amy Winehouse died in 2011, and I'd still probably have her the No.1 and most influential female artist of the 2000s!
Never got the hype on Amy, preferred Lana Del Ray as a bit more interesting to listen too and for pure singing ability no one comes close to Floor Jansen of Nightwish imho.

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Reply #54 –
Amanda Palmer is the main half of the Dresden Dolls which i saw live many years ago. Wasn't huge on them when the wife bought us (and friends) tickets, but after swatting up leading up to the concert, i'm now a bigger fan than anyone else. Even in spite of the hairy armpits on display, she's good value.

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Reply #55 –
Quote from: dodge – on
My apologies to everyone on the forum for keeping this going.  My last post on it.

Nothing to apologise about Dodge, and please post again and as often as you like.

I think that there's a tendency to consider the music that you heard in your formative years as the best of all time. 

I had three older brothers and their tastes ranged from classical symphony to jazz, bossa nova, orchestral pop, Harry Belafonte, Bobby Darin, Ray Charles, Gene Vincent, Elvis, Dionne Warwick, and Margaret Roadnight.  I hit my teens as the British rock scene took off and the first record I bought was The Who's My Generation.  The B side was an instrumental tune called Waltz for a Pig, and I can remember my oldest brother, the classical musician, playing along on his saxophone.

I got to see the Stones (twice), Led Zeppelin (best concert ever!), Chuck Berry, Joe Cocker, Billy Joel, Joan Armatrading, Gary Glitter (cough), Tommy, etc, etc .  It was a golden era for Australian bands with Chain, Bay City Union, the Aztecs, Easybeats, Spectrum/Murtceps, Daddy Cool, Doug Parkinson, Madder Lake, Carson, the Dingoes, Wendy Saddington and many more playing at local dances, discos and pubs.  My discharge from the Army came through the week before the second Sunbury festival and that was awesome, even if I was a little self conscious about being the only cove there with a short back and sides haircut.

My musical tastes have broadened exponentially from my almost exclusively rock, R&B and blues teenage years and, like Dodge, I will pick an artist, theme or genre and focus on that until something else piques my interest.  Blues is still right up there but I may binge on folk, country and western, African, Tibetan throat singers, zydeco, bluegrass, Scottish tribal, traditional Celtic, or orchestral music.  Currently I'm flipping between covers of Warren Zevon's songs, Dust Rhinos, John Hammond performing Tom Waits tracks, Bonnie Rait, the Pogues, Kentucky Headhunters, Tinariwen, Liz Stringer, the Pigram Brothers and whoever pops up on re-runs of Jools Holland.

I should point out that, while most of my family are musical, the only things I can play are CDs, vinyl, an iPod and streaming services.  I am in awe of anyone who can create music, or should I say most music; I don't rate EDM, some hip hop and those folk who wail their hearts out on "reality" TV.  In that context, I don't think that someone like Mia Dyson or Alex Lahey is any less of a musician or entertainer than Joan Baez or Aretha Franklin.
“Why don’t you knock it off with them negative waves? Why don’t you dig how beautiful it is out here? Why don’t you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?”  Oddball

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Reply #56 –
Quote from: LP – on
On Elton John, there was a bloke around Melbourne years ago who use to do live cover gigs in tiny little venues, I can't remember his name, he was a cracking performer, it can be hard to imagine how they don't have some success outside of the cover gigs.

Funny thing about Elton.
He cut his teeth on just that, doing those old cover versions of popular songs of the day, as a session musician and back-up vocalist.

http://www.eltonography.com/albums/sessions/index.html

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Reply #57 –
A young Ricky Gervais with Seona Dancing- More to Lose
Sounding a bit Bowie like. :D  :D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABjYSxyUD98

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Reply #58 –
Quote from: LP – on
Only music I can't get into is Country, don't ask me why, can't stand it.

Haven't listenened to the right Country music! Until recently I would have said the same. I'm enjoying the lightness of it and some of them are incredible musos. There is plenty that I don't like!

In the early 90s - there is massive cross over between many genres - country rock is probably my least favorite (Garth Brooks). I read a CD review of someone who I had never heard of, but bought the CD on the review.  Absolute gold, probably not country, but by a country singer - Emmylou Harris - Wrecking Ball.

Go on a little You tube trip - a couple of suggestions...
 - Vince Gill & Sheryl Crow - Two more bottles of wine (or Gill and Emmylou Harris)
 - Gill, Clapton, Crow, Albert Lee - Tulsa Time
 - Clapton et al - Lay down Sally (Crossroads 2010)
  - Josh Turner and Randy Travis - Your Man (if you want a hot film clip - just look at the Josh Tuner version. Not as good as Chris
 - Isaak's Wicked Game).  Song itself is daggy cheesy - but plenty seem to like it.
 - Me and Bobby McGee - Crow and Kristofferson (or the more famous Janis Joplin version)
 - Harris (again) - her version of Chuck Berry's C'est la vie You Never can tell.

Jealous about Portishead - the great period known by my friends as horny music!