Re: General Discussions Reply #2145 – February 21, 2025, 05:19:33 pm I get the problems with incarceration.But the gutless politicians and bureaucrats are sacking police off the back of public and force dissatisfaction, mostly for repeat crimes conducted by people who have been successfully arrested multiples times before. Police arrest and capture them, courts and lawyers let them out, most politicians are lawyers.In this case it's not the police force or it's members that should get the lemon-sars, the only people applauding the sacking of police are the crooks!I'm far from being a booster for a police state, but what is happening now is utter madness. Quote Selected 1 Likes
Re: General Discussions Reply #2146 – February 22, 2025, 06:53:25 am Quote from: LP – on February 21, 2025, 05:19:33 pmI get the problems with incarceration.But the gutless politicians and bureaucrats are sacking police off the back of public and force dissatisfaction, mostly for repeat crimes conducted by people who have been successfully arrested multiples times before. Police arrest and capture them, courts and lawyers let them out, most politicians are lawyers.In this case it's not the police force or it's members that should get the lemon-sars, the only people applauding the sacking of police are the crooks!I'm far from being a booster for a police state, but what is happening now is utter madness.^^^^^^^ Quote Selected
Re: General Discussions Reply #2147 – February 22, 2025, 08:08:15 am Quote from: DJC – on February 21, 2025, 05:09:33 pmQuote from: Thryleon – on February 17, 2025, 10:26:28 amWe have to accept that among all groups of society, you are going to get people who have different values. Those values don't reflect the values of the Carlton football club. They can support Carlton, and can also participate in a variety of activities the club may not want to be involved in. That is one facet of being an inclusive club you cannot control. That being said, what is constituted to be a Nazi bootcamp, is a different question. https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/white-supremacist-bootcamp-takes-over-elwood-beach-20250215-p5lcel.htmlDoing these activities of itself doesn't actually qualify it as anything. Taking a photo with the flag doesn't either. The party's ideology's may be viewed as Neo Nazi by others, but it is conceivable that not all of them will be members, and not all of them will be of the same thinking re-anti semitism. Hopefully thats all that is. We wont know for certain, but lets not pound people into submission. Often they are attention seeking.I'm afraid that we do know for certain that these folk are neo-nazis Thry. ASIO has been consistently warning of the growth of neo-nazi groups for several years now and it's submission to the recent Senate inquiry into right wing extremism provides concrete examples. The report of that Senate inquiry is also very informative and you can find it at:https://parlinfo.aph.gov.au/parlInfo/download/committees/reportsen/RB000315/toc_pdf/RightwingextremistmovementsinAustralia.pdfThen there's the recent stories of two families trying to deal with family members who have embraced the nationalist-socialist ideology:https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-02-17/neo-nazi-extremist-intervention-radicalisation-four-corners/104930828?utm_source=sfmc&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=abc_newsmail_am-pm_sfmc&utm_term=&utm_id=2504460&sfmc_id=278657882There's no doubt that these people are neo-nazis and represent a significant threat to our way of life.all im saying is dont paint them all with the same brush. In all groups you'll find extremes. People who are all the way into new Nazism. Others who are not on board eith that at all but ideologicallyand politicallyhave found a home with these groups or perhaps were the originators of these groups and found support in those less desirable circles. Also, I don't believe in labelling them Nazis. Its deliberately provocative and intention is to ensure that nationalism doesn't become a thing. Consider it an a Labor party approach to squashing the liberal national party by timing it back to something that occurred in a different place in a different time with the only link being anti semitism.The current anti Semitic under current is more in support of palestine than anti Semitic and geo political issues need to be considered in the current context. That's all I'll say about the matter. I didn't know these people existed until the last fortnight so I can't comment further but simply broad brushing everything is a symptom of the ills of modern society. Best way to squash something is to misrepresent what it stands for. What is said regarding the carlton hat rings true. The carlton football club is not aligned with this no matter if the individuals support carlton. Quote Selected Last Edit: February 22, 2025, 08:11:04 am by Thryleon
Re: General Discussions Reply #2148 – February 22, 2025, 10:57:11 am Quote from: Thryleon – on February 22, 2025, 08:08:15 amQuote from: DJC – on February 21, 2025, 05:09:33 pmI'm afraid that we do know for certain that these folk are neo-nazis Thry. ASIO has been consistently warning of the growth of neo-nazi groups for several years now and it's submission to the recent Senate inquiry into right wing extremism provides concrete examples. The report of that Senate inquiry is also very informative and you can find it at:https://parlinfo.aph.gov.au/parlInfo/download/committees/reportsen/RB000315/toc_pdf/RightwingextremistmovementsinAustralia.pdfThen there's the recent stories of two families trying to deal with family members who have embraced the nationalist-socialist ideology:https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-02-17/neo-nazi-extremist-intervention-radicalisation-four-corners/104930828?utm_source=sfmc&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=abc_newsmail_am-pm_sfmc&utm_term=&utm_id=2504460&sfmc_id=278657882There's no doubt that these people are neo-nazis and represent a significant threat to our way of life.all im saying is dont paint them all with the same brush. In all groups you'll find extremes. People who are all the way into new Nazism. Others who are not on board eith that at all but ideologicallyand politicallyhave found a home with these groups or perhaps were the originators of these groups and found support in those less desirable circles. Also, I don't believe in labelling them Nazis. Its deliberately provocative and intention is to ensure that nationalism doesn't become a thing. Consider it an a Labor party approach to squashing the liberal national party by timing it back to something that occurred in a different place in a different time with the only link being anti semitism.The current anti Semitic under current is more in support of palestine than anti Semitic and geo political issues need to be considered in the current context. That's all I'll say about the matter. I didn't know these people existed until the last fortnight so I can't comment further but simply broad brushing everything is a symptom of the ills of modern society. Best way to squash something is to misrepresent what it stands for. What is said regarding the carlton hat rings true. The carlton football club is not aligned with this no matter if the individuals support carlton.They call themselves nazis Thry. They use nazi symbols. They follow nazi ideology. They revere Mein Kampf. Our intelligence agency identifies them as neo-nazis. They are anti-Semitic in the broadest sense of the label; including all of the Semitic peoples, not just Jews. They are white supremacists.And we’ve had this conversation before … Quote Selected
Re: General Discussions Reply #2149 – February 22, 2025, 03:20:20 pm Quote from: DJC – on February 22, 2025, 10:57:11 amQuote from: Thryleon – on February 22, 2025, 08:08:15 amall im saying is dont paint them all with the same brush. In all groups you'll find extremes. People who are all the way into new Nazism. Others who are not on board eith that at all but ideologicallyand politicallyhave found a home with these groups or perhaps were the originators of these groups and found support in those less desirable circles. Also, I don't believe in labelling them Nazis. Its deliberately provocative and intention is to ensure that nationalism doesn't become a thing. Consider it an a Labor party approach to squashing the liberal national party by timing it back to something that occurred in a different place in a different time with the only link being anti semitism.The current anti Semitic under current is more in support of palestine than anti Semitic and geo political issues need to be considered in the current context. That's all I'll say about the matter. I didn't know these people existed until the last fortnight so I can't comment further but simply broad brushing everything is a symptom of the ills of modern society. Best way to squash something is to misrepresent what it stands for. What is said regarding the carlton hat rings true. The carlton football club is not aligned with this no matter if the individuals support carlton.They call themselves nazis Thry. They use nazi symbols. They follow nazi ideology. They revere Mein Kampf. Our intelligence agency identifies them as neo-nazis. They are anti-Semitic in the broadest sense of the label; including all of the Semitic peoples, not just Jews. They are white supremacists.And we’ve had this conversation before …Duck Look Smell Duck Quote Selected 1 Likes
Re: General Discussions Reply #2150 – February 23, 2025, 11:08:26 am Quote from: Gointocarlton – on February 22, 2025, 03:20:20 pmDuck Look Smell DuckGoose step Quote Selected
Re: General Discussions Reply #2151 – February 23, 2025, 12:55:32 pm Small 'n' nazis 'Wannabes' Quote Selected
Re: General Discussions Reply #2152 – February 23, 2025, 01:13:01 pm Quote from: Lods – on February 23, 2025, 12:55:32 pmSmall 'n' nazis 'Wannabes'They wear masks so you know they are gutless, Adult dummy spitters blaming the existence of others for their life long misery and sookiness. Quote Selected
Re: General Discussions Reply #2153 – February 23, 2025, 02:23:34 pm Thugs in masks that gather in groups are easy to police. Quote Selected
Re: General Discussions Reply #2154 – February 23, 2025, 06:42:39 pm Quote from: Lods – on February 23, 2025, 12:55:32 pmSmall 'n' nazis 'Wannabes'That may just be me refusing to capitalise the n-word. The tossers themselves can write with both big and small letters ... Quote Selected
Re: General Discussions Reply #2155 – February 23, 2025, 06:51:30 pm Quote from: DJC – on February 23, 2025, 06:42:39 pmQuote from: Lods – on February 23, 2025, 12:55:32 pmSmall 'n' nazis 'Wannabes'That may just be me refusing to capitalise the n-word. The tossers themselves can write with both big and small letters ...Nah It's a dicionary definition.QuoteNazinounNa·zi ˈnät-sē ˈnat- 1: a member of a German fascist party controlling Germany from 1933 to 1945 under Adolf Hitler2often not capitalizeda: one who espouses the beliefs and policies of the German Nazis : fascistb: one who is likened to a German Nazi : a harshly domineering, dictatorial, or intolerant personThey're not members of the German National Socialist Party...as much as they'd like to be.They're "want to be, try hards" who think they're scary, but are in fact ridiculous. Quote Selected Last Edit: February 23, 2025, 06:53:57 pm by Lods
Re: General Discussions Reply #2156 – February 23, 2025, 07:58:57 pm Quote from: Lods – on February 23, 2025, 06:51:30 pmThey're not members of the German National Socialist Party...as much as they'd like to be.They're "want to be, try hards" who think they're scary, but are in fact ridiculous.I don't doubt one bit that they have a propensity for serious violence and if there were enough of them, we'd have a problem. Hopefully there are few of them and they will be dealt with by the authorities. Quote Selected
Re: General Discussions Reply #2157 – February 23, 2025, 11:18:38 pm Quote from: Lods – on February 23, 2025, 06:51:30 pmQuote from: DJC – on February 23, 2025, 06:42:39 pmThat may just be me refusing to capitalise the n-word. The tossers themselves can write with both big and small letters ...Nah It's a dicionary definition.QuoteNazinounNa·zi ˈnät-sē ˈnat- 1: a member of a German fascist party controlling Germany from 1933 to 1945 under Adolf Hitler2often not capitalizeda: one who espouses the beliefs and policies of the German Nazis : fascistb: one who is likened to a German Nazi : a harshly domineering, dictatorial, or intolerant personThey're not members of the German National Socialist Party...as much as they'd like to be.They're "want to be, try hards" who think they're scary, but are in fact ridiculous.Not when you consider the NZ mosque massacres and many thwarted, attempted and actual assaults and acts of terrorism around Australia. Quote Selected
Re: General Discussions Reply #2158 – February 23, 2025, 11:28:18 pm Quote from: DJC – on February 23, 2025, 11:18:38 pmNot when you consider the NZ mosque massacres and many thwarted, attempted and actual assaults and acts of terrorism around Australia.I suspect the perpetrators of many of those atrocities are drawn to the right wing groups rather than being a fundamental creation of them, the driver is internal not external. Although it's obvious the groups could well be enablers. Quote Selected
Re: General Discussions Reply #2159 – February 24, 2025, 09:40:36 am Quote from: LP – on February 23, 2025, 11:28:18 pmQuote from: DJC – on February 23, 2025, 11:18:38 pmNot when you consider the NZ mosque massacres and many thwarted, attempted and actual assaults and acts of terrorism around Australia.I suspect the perpetrators of many of those atrocities are drawn to the right wing groups rather than being a fundamental creation of them, the driver is internal not external. Although it's obvious the groups could well be enablers.Six of one and half a dozen of the other LP.The neo-nazi groups provide an opportunity for like-minded folk to coalesce but they also have active recruiting and indoctrination programs. The article I linked previously gives examples of recruitment and radicalisation of politically naive punters. Quote Selected