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Reply #4530
It's difficult to know from the outside how many of his clownar$e antics are just him, and how much is advice from his team. There's no doubt that he is backed by economic advisors that are perfectly competent and know exactly what they're doing. Whether he listens to them, whether there's skullduggery involved that ultimately benefits the billionaire class, the interplay between his political objectives, economic objectives, pandering to his cultist supporter base etc, is IMO hard to know at this point.

Announcing tariffs, then walking back on them, would benefit folks with inside knowledge. Trump may also be using the tariffs as a way of extracting more money from organizations, who would then be offered special exemptions. The tariffs are divisive for the capitalist class. Some will benefit, some won't. I've read that Trump wants a recession, because a recession will drive down the prices of real estate, companies, and shares of stock, all of which will then be bought on the cheap by the billionaire class who will then enjoy the ride back up. So many different angles, it's hard to make sense of it all.

Aurangzeb’s adviser on trade and tariffs is Peter Navarro.  Navarro and Musk are slinging mud at each other and among the least offensive descriptors Musk has used is “dumber than bricks”.  I’d have to agree with Musk there; Navarro is a fraud and a charlatan who has relied on the faked research of an imaginary economist to support his economic agenda.

While we may like to think, or hope, that Aurangzeb has competent advisers, that’s not the case.  He is surrounded by unqualified, incompetent buffoons, science deniers and conspiracy theorists … and crooks; see how Marjorie Taylor Greene cashed in on the stock market crash.
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

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Reply #4531
Navarro keeps referring to some "Expert Advice" regarding tariffs, never listing a name, then he gave up and told everybody the experts name, Ron Vara. Then it turned out "Ron Vara" is an anagram of Navarro, Navarro is a clown taking the piss.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

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Reply #4532

Aurangzeb’s adviser on trade and tariffs is Peter Navarro.  Navarro and Musk are slinging mud at each other and among the least offensive descriptors Musk has used is “dumber than bricks”.  I’d have to agree with Musk there; Navarro is a fraud and a charlatan who has relied on the faked research of an imaginary economist to support his economic agenda.

While we may like to think, or hope, that Aurangzeb has competent advisers, that’s not the case.  He is surrounded by unqualified, incompetent buffoons, science deniers and conspiracy theorists … and crooks; see how Marjorie Taylor Greene cashed in on the stock market crash.

I was thinking of people like Stephen Miran, Pierre Yared and Kim Ruhl, who serve on the Council of Economic Advisers. I'm sure there are others.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/cea/

I remain skeptical of the freak show that is paraded before our eyes. I'm not suggesting they have no power, nor that they can't do harm, but the Hegseths, Noems, Navarros etc of the US cabinet are not the brains behind the operation. Whether they listen to their "real" advisers, and how much they listen, are separate issues IMO. But i don't believe they just do what they like. RFK Jr is probably the outlier in this group.

Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading)

Reply #4533
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ax7TtJrEcKQ

For those interested, this is an interview with Yanis Varoufakis. Very good explanation of Trump's tariffs. It get into the weeds a little, and some of it goes over my head, but a good watch nevertheless IMO.

EDIT : he discusses a couple of other topics, more towards the end.

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Reply #4534
Another poor day on the ASX, think LP is on the money with his insider trading talk, Trump has been encouraging investors to buy US stocks at these low prices and no doubt him and his crew have been indulging and working their portfolios to take advantage of the market falls.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2025/04/10/trump-tariffs-buy-stock-market-increase-ethics/83022916007/

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Reply #4535
Another poor day on the ASX, think LP is on the money with his insider trading talk, Trump has been encouraging investors to buy US stocks at these low prices and no doubt him and his crew have been indulging and working their portfolios to take advantage of the market falls.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2025/04/10/trump-tariffs-buy-stock-market-increase-ethics/83022916007/

Absolutely no doubt, EB1, that Trump, family and friends are cashing in big time on this. How could anyone not know and believe that there is insider trading going on here? Trump is having a ball playing with the US economy like a toy.

Is the US population really that naive to not know what is going on here?

Nero fiddled... Trump plays golf...
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

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Reply #4536
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ax7TtJrEcKQ

For those interested, this is an interview with Yanis Varoufakis. Very good explanation of Trump's tariffs. It get into the weeds a little, and some of it goes over my head, but a good watch nevertheless IMO.

EDIT : he discusses a couple of other topics, more towards the end.
yeah this was a great watch.  Varoufakis is a good man, but he's an idealist too.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

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Reply #4537
For those interested, this is an interview with Yanis Varoufakis. Very good explanation of Trump's tariffs. It get into the weeds a little, and some of it goes over my head, but a good watch nevertheless IMO.
He ignores that Tariffs were applied to Australia, despite Australia being in deficit to the USA.

But I agree that the concept of being "In the National Interest" is a figment of peoples imagination, all that RedTrump does is about RedTrump's wallet, nothing more!

It's easy to get caught up in the politics of all this and forget the inside trader side of the debate, RedTrump can influence the stock market with a tweet, make a killing, and make the vast bulk of the residents worse off!

The employment gains in some sectors are offset by loses in others, it's a shift in balance not a overall increase.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

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Reply #4538
yeah this was a great watch.  Varoufakis is a good man, but he's an idealist too.

Yes. We need a lot more idealists, because the "realists" or whatever they call themselves have brought us to the brink.

Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading)

Reply #4539
yeah this was a great watch.  Varoufakis is a good man, but he's an idealist too.

Yes. We need a lot more idealists, because the "realists" or whatever they call themselves have brought us to the brink.


Absobloodylutely, Pauly. How does the old saying go..."It's the idealists of today who give the realists of tomorrow something to do..."
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

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Reply #4540
He ignores that Tariffs were applied to Australia, despite Australia being in deficit to the USA.

But I agree that the concept of being "In the National Interest" is a figment of peoples imagination, all that RedTrump does is about RedTrump's wallet, nothing more!

It's easy to get caught up in the politics of all this and forget the inside trader side of the debate, RedTrump can influence the stock market with a tweet, make a killing, and make the vast bulk of the residents worse off!

The employment gains in some sectors are offset by loses in others, it's a shift in balance not a overall increase.

My impression of that part of the video is that he was explaining a principle and giving some historical background. IMO the decision by the Trump government is partly based on economics and partly politics. Howard Lutnick explains that no country is tariff-exempt, in order to avoid any loopholes. The devious plans of those penguins on the Heard and McDonald islands have just been laid to waste.

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Reply #4541
At the last count, American taxpayers have shelled out $38M for the POTUS to play golf on his own golf courses since January.  The Muskrat should get onto that as an opportunity to cut government waste and corruption.
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Reply #4542
At the last count, American taxpayers have shelled out $38M for the POTUS to play golf on his own golf courses since January.  The Muskrat should get onto that as an opportunity to cut government waste and corruption.
Looks like he will be devoting all his time trying to breathe life back into Tesla so his DOGE days are coming to end which should cut government waste and corruption when he leaves not to mention improve efficiency.

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Reply #4543
A couple of things that I think have generally been good:
 - RFK announced the banning of some food colourings (in line with Europe)
 - We will know what 'causes' autism by October (yeah, right) - tipping he's going to announce vaccinations.  Yep that'd be it.
 - The deportation of some people.  BUT why can't you just say we f***ed up on a couple and let them back in?  There's no loss of face doing that.
 - The implementation of A1 in schools - from the Education person, whose job it is to shut down the federal department (oh, dear)

But, how on earth could you possibly run any business that relies on imports to either manufacture into goods, or sell directly to the public.  The uncertainty kills any planning - how much will it cost?  Do I need to add 20% tariff, or 80%?  Can I source product that has a lower tariff?  Can I get a manufacturing plant to make my goods up and running to meet Christmas production requirements? (no), can I increase my local production by enough in time (unlikely)  Are there skilled people in US that can do this? (less and less).  China's big advantage now is that they have masses of skilled manufacturing jobs - tooling, fitting and turning, engineering and people to do them.  The US doesn't with the decline fo manufacturing. Dare say, like here.

Fruit & Veg - The USA imports heaps, much more cheaply than the local farmers can supply the market for.  So in price sensitive times, the US farmers struggle.  Tariffs will bring the price of the imported stuff up, making the gap between local and imported less obvious.  Good for the locals, as they may sell more and keep there businesses afloat - some may boom (and increase employment - often immigrants on farms).  But the grocery spend for everyone will be up - meaning that spending decreases will be on the cards.

Don has started to find out that the world doesn't need the US as much as he thinks - which is a bit of a shock to him.  Apparently the G7 group (Canada, USA, France, Germany, Italy, Japan, UK) has something like 30% of the world's GDP.  BRICS (Brazil, Russia, India, China, Sth Africa) is about 35% - do we need to start getting used to a new world?

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Reply #4544
I've heard a few extremists / MAGA types bandy about the term "Globalist" like it is a slur, on the dreaded FacePlant I've even been labelled as much by someone I suspect didn't have a dictionary to look up the meaning.

It's interesting how a hard fact can become a slur.

Fundamentally we are all Globalists in nature because the globe of the planet actually exists, it the countries, boundaries, regions and states that all fake constructs of society, non of them exist in nature at all!

Of course they ignore that their heroes are "globalist", like Elon Musk and RedTrump, I wonder how much cash those two have recently moved about the globe to avoid the chaos they have caused at home!

But I'm biased, I've always been curious how those who can't read a "Do Not Trespass " sign seem more than capable of decoding 5 pages of Centrelink legalese gobbledegook in 30 seconds if it means they'll get to buy an extra carton of Chop Chop this week!

I find it even more amusing that those Swastika wearing meatheads happily call cheap tobacco Chop Chop, I wonder if they ask the baker for a bagel?
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"