Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading) Reply #3840 – October 31, 2024, 05:13:56 pm Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on October 31, 2024, 04:27:04 pmIts a different world and when you see the options on official documents asking to list your gender and there are more than two options now its confusing for older folk. My father would have said they need a dose of the army or if you want to be a cat then you can eat out of a bowl, have the feline vaccinations and sterilization where appropriate.The modern approach though is to be inclusive and provide equal opportunity for all parties involved and thats fine but you have to resource those changes and provide appropriate training to those involved providing the services and thats not happening.When those " Cats" get bullied and their schoolwork affected who is picking up the pieces. My son has a primary school child who will probably need gender re-assigment in the future but the parents want his new identity kept secret from other students/parents but want my son to treat him as that new identity when/where possible and using his preferred new name which becomes challenging when you have 25 kids in the class Lucky the child is moving school at years end but as I said in the other post teaching has become a much tougher job dealing with all these new wider parameters of society to cope with.Apologies for digressing with the Trump thread....EB sorry to say but I find the story about the child "needing" gender re-assignment (or any child) disturbing. Quote Selected
Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading) Reply #3841 – October 31, 2024, 06:08:20 pm Quote from: Gointocarlton – on October 31, 2024, 03:20:16 pmQuote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on October 31, 2024, 01:06:18 pmA couple of Private schools in Melbourne have students identifying as Cats and the schools are allowing it as long as classes are not affected and have been advised to treat it as a mental health condition.My father would have had the perfect cure for the condition (clue: it didnt involve medication). The world has gone farken mad.Agree. The crap we put up with in the name of inclusion and fear of not being politically correct is out of control. You want to be a cat then school is not the place for a cat so why allow them to learn? We tolerate this crazy behavior and schools and the public in general are too scared to push back and as a result it just keeps building and building. Its the same with biological man who transitioned to female and then went on to win a gold medal in women's boxing. When does it end. And then the woke media took out all stops to support this athlete and wanted us to commend her/his courage to do that. WTF! Yes the world has gone mad and why someone like Trump is all we have to get things back to some level of normality without all the woke lefties nutters. Quote Selected 1 Likes
Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading) Reply #3842 – October 31, 2024, 06:16:34 pm The more you read around the internet, the more you realize that this story is :a. a few years oldb. apart from a few isolated incidents, is basically a media beat up.https://www.google.com/search?q=students+identifying+as+cats&client=firefox-b-e&sca_esv=575e196b9b070b7e&ei=iS4jZ_D3Mpy84-EPlsmV6QU&start=0&sa=N&sstk=Aagrsuj_aCycNQq0xduFy0aLvbLv3i8lSj31zB6bOPg0jZzlNhGhbPVMXE6gUzNWwGEAv3CIWa4OvBGwq0yME3cU6OI-NVktsBNC31dPL-GdDtmMyIAk8ONAwXrwCXyivA4Wj5i0e8KvISp7QLn4SBijVFPJlBa6X9g&ved=2ahUKEwiw4PqmibiJAxUc3jgGHZZkJV04FBDy0wN6BAgIEAQ&biw=1920&bih=1006&dpr=1 Quote Selected
Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading) Reply #3843 – October 31, 2024, 06:17:14 pm Quote from: Gointocarlton – on October 31, 2024, 05:13:56 pmQuote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on October 31, 2024, 04:27:04 pmIts a different world and when you see the options on official documents asking to list your gender and there are more than two options now its confusing for older folk. My father would have said they need a dose of the army or if you want to be a cat then you can eat out of a bowl, have the feline vaccinations and sterilization where appropriate.The modern approach though is to be inclusive and provide equal opportunity for all parties involved and thats fine but you have to resource those changes and provide appropriate training to those involved providing the services and thats not happening.When those " Cats" get bullied and their schoolwork affected who is picking up the pieces. My son has a primary school child who will probably need gender re-assigment in the future but the parents want his new identity kept secret from other students/parents but want my son to treat him as that new identity when/where possible and using his preferred new name which becomes challenging when you have 25 kids in the class Lucky the child is moving school at years end but as I said in the other post teaching has become a much tougher job dealing with all these new wider parameters of society to cope with.Apologies for digressing with the Trump thread....EB sorry to say but I find the story about the child "needing" gender re-assignment (or any child) disturbing.Same here GTC, but modern medical opinion now has a different take on whats best for the child moving forward and the old school opinions that we were brought up with are seen as neanderthal and having negative effects on the well being of the child.I wouldnt want that responsibility as a doctor/s or as parents making/endorsing those choices.... Quote Selected
Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading) Reply #3844 – October 31, 2024, 06:22:02 pm Quote from: PaulP – on October 31, 2024, 04:46:42 pmBased on limited facts and detail, and somewhat conflicting anecdotal reports, I'd hazard a guess and say this will be a rather harmless and short lived fad.If we're talking school behavior, we should be a lot more worried about manosphere influencers like Andrew Tate. There have been reports for a while now about threats to mostly female teachers and his generally toxic influence on young boys. Forget the cats.So when something has been expQuote from: madbluboy – on October 31, 2024, 04:02:22 pmThere are none at my kids' school as they would never tolerate it.My wife works at a primary school out in Cranbourne and there are litters. See its spreads like wild fire. If you dont address it as a mental issue that requires medical evaluation and care/treatment to get to the bottom of why they feel and act that way. Enabling it to be acceptable in a school environment is normalizing it and its not normal!IMO these young people need medical help not just acceptance and inclusion. Its not normal and something is seriously wrong in their young heads to be having these thoughts.Sadly these days less and less have the guts to say it for fear of being labelled a transphobic.... far right nut job... sexist etc. Oops i just did Quote Selected
Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading) Reply #3845 – October 31, 2024, 06:31:59 pm Quote from: PaulP – on October 31, 2024, 06:16:34 pmThe more you read around the internet, the more you realize that this story is :a. a few years oldb. apart from a few isolated incidents, is basically a media beat up.https://www.google.com/search?q=students+identifying+as+cats&client=firefox-b-e&sca_esv=575e196b9b070b7e&ei=iS4jZ_D3Mpy84-EPlsmV6QU&start=0&sa=N&sstk=Aagrsuj_aCycNQq0xduFy0aLvbLv3i8lSj31zB6bOPg0jZzlNhGhbPVMXE6gUzNWwGEAv3CIWa4OvBGwq0yME3cU6OI-NVktsBNC31dPL-GdDtmMyIAk8ONAwXrwCXyivA4Wj5i0e8KvISp7QLn4SBijVFPJlBa6X9g&ved=2ahUKEwiw4PqmibiJAxUc3jgGHZZkJV04FBDy0wN6BAgIEAQ&biw=1920&bih=1006&dpr=1What story? Quote Selected
Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading) Reply #3846 – October 31, 2024, 06:41:21 pm Quote from: madbluboy – on October 31, 2024, 06:31:59 pmWhat story?The "students identifying as Cats" story, and its related components, e.g litter boxes in bathrooms. As best as I can tell, it started in 2021 and as is the way with these stories in an era of social media, becomes a bit of a fad. There's little to suggest it has anything to do with Dan Andrews, or wokeness, or mental health issues. Of course, in a world with 8 billion people, you can find examples of everything. But there's nothing to suggest that it is an epidemic, or out of control, or signifies the decline of Western civilization. Do a survey of teachers and ask them if they're more worried about threats and abuse from students, or a student looking for a sunny spot to nap. Quote Selected
Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading) Reply #3847 – October 31, 2024, 07:14:02 pm My "story" about my wife's dealings with kids who identifying as cats is happening now. The kids might be harmless but the angry parents not so much. Quote Selected
Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading) Reply #3848 – October 31, 2024, 07:19:33 pm Quote from: madbluboy – on October 31, 2024, 07:14:02 pmMy "story" about my wife's dealings with kids who identifying as cats is happening now. The kids might be harmless but the angry parents not so much.No need for the quotation marks. You know exactly what I meant by "story', and you know I have already acknowledged your wife's testimony as anecdotal evidence. In however many pages this discussion has been going, you have not once mentioned parents, which is a whole other issue. Quote Selected 1 Likes
Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading) Reply #3849 – October 31, 2024, 07:21:35 pm Anyway my real story about kids identifying as cats just highlighted that neither side will ever agree. The usual suspects here just dismissed my "story" as made up as it doesn't suit their agenda. Quote Selected 1 Likes
Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading) Reply #3850 – October 31, 2024, 07:28:38 pm Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on October 31, 2024, 04:00:21 pmMore than one I have been told, my son and his wife are both teachers and said there are other themes other than Cats and it goes all the way up to University students. Teachers have a lot to deal with these days and have to be accepting of a wide range of mental health conditions from students and make it all work. They dont get paid enough or have the training to be part time on the job Psychologists.I suspect that it has always been around - I was a horse until it was beaten out of me at primary school - but it really took off with the underground comic scene of the 1970s and 1980s. However, there's a huge difference between a non-verbal kid on the spectrum believing that they are a cat and folk pretending to be cats or wolves, or horses.It's not a school child phenomenon. As I mentioned previously, there are several thousand adult furries in Australia and they have been holding national conventions since at least 2017. I was driving through Torquay recently and observed a well-dressed woman in her late 30s or early 40s ... with a tail.It's no different to folk dressing up as Dr Who, Spiderman, characters from Star Wars or cosplay generally.However, the sensationalist press have blown it out of all proportion with the “litter box” hoax picked up by the American right-wing nutjobs – Lauren Boebert, Marjorie Taylor Greene, etc – who claimed, without a shred of evidence, that schoolchildren had started “identifying” as animals, and then somehow managed to conflate it with gender reassignment. Scott Jensen, Republican gubernatorial candidate for Minnesota said in 2022, "Why are we telling elementary kids that they get to choose their gender this week? Why do we have litter boxes in some of the school districts so kids can pee in them, because they identify as a furry? We’ve lost our minds. We’ve lost our minds.” I hope Scott finds his again soon. Quote Selected 2 Likes
Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading) Reply #3851 – October 31, 2024, 07:33:54 pm Quote from: madbluboy – on October 31, 2024, 07:21:35 pmAnyway my real story about kids identifying as cats just highlighted that neither side will ever agree. The usual suspects here just dismissed my "story" as made up as it doesn't suit their agenda. I can't speak or post for anyone else, but please show me where I stated or implied your wife's testimony was fabricated. This issue, at least IMO, has nothing to do with left versus right. I have not made any value judgements about whether the kids, schools, teachers are right or wrong, or whether I agree or not. I placed the story in the realm of minor incidents and passing fads, because as best as I can tell, that's what the data supports. I also made the judgment that compared to other behaviors in schools, this seems trivial. Quote Selected
Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading) Reply #3852 – October 31, 2024, 08:02:15 pm Quote from: madbluboy – on October 31, 2024, 07:21:35 pmAnyway my real story about kids identifying as cats just highlighted that neither side will ever agree. The usual suspects here just dismissed my "story" as made up as it doesn't suit their agenda. They claim to only be interested in facts until the facts don’t suit their agenda. Quote Selected
Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading) Reply #3853 – October 31, 2024, 08:45:19 pm Quote from: shawny – on October 31, 2024, 08:02:15 pmThey claim to only be interested in facts until the facts don’t suit their agenda.Facts? You’re having a laugh!I’ll give you a fact: in August 2022, Australian satirical website Damascus Dropbear published a fake story about a school in Melbourne providing litter boxes. The story was quickly debunked.Since then, the story has been repeated with the location changed to schools in different States. Not one of the claims has any basis in fact but gullible folk continue to be sucked in. Quote Selected 1 Likes
Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading) Reply #3854 – October 31, 2024, 09:03:43 pm Quote from: DJC – on October 31, 2024, 08:45:19 pmQuote from: shawny – on October 31, 2024, 08:02:15 pmThey claim to only be interested in facts until the facts don’t suit their agenda.Facts? You’re having a laugh!I’ll give you a fact: in August 2022, Australian satirical website Damascus Dropbear published a fake story about a school in Melbourne providing litter boxes. The story was quickly debunked.Since then, the story has been repeated with the location changed to schools in different States. Not one of the claims has any basis in fact but gullible folk continue to be sucked in.You locate one fake story that is repeated and that then disproves every other case? Righto! Those facts you find are very damming! Quote Selected