Carlton Supporters Club

I'm sorry about what happened to your father, but does that mean for you it's not about being morally right? You want them executed because they broke a law.

People getting hands cut off for stealing bread? All fine because that's the law in some countries?

Rape victims getting stoned? No problemo because that's the law over there?

Quote from: PassIt2Carrots – on February 07, 2015, 07:21:25 pm

I'm sorry about what happened to your father, but does that mean for you it's not about being morally right? You want them executed because they broke a law.

For me its simple, its not about what I think or what you think, its about being a law abiding citizen. Break the law, any law, you pay the price. Black and white, no shades for grey. What morally right? Your opinion and mine is 180 degrees opposed therefore we can never agree. Thats where the law steps in. They have been found guilty of an offence in Bali which carries the death penalty. For me, end of argument.

Quote from: Gointocarlton – on February 07, 2015, 07:34:44 pm

Quote from: PassIt2Carrots – on February 07, 2015, 07:21:25 pm

I'm sorry about what happened to your father, but does that mean for you it's not about being morally right? You want them executed because they broke a law.

For me its simple, its not about what I think or what you think, its about being a law abiding citizen. Break the law, any law, you pay the price. Black and white, no shades for grey. What morally right? Your opinion and mine is 180 degrees opposed therefore we can never agree. Thats where the law steps in. They have been found guilty of an offence in Bali which carries the death penalty. For me, end of argument.

I don't get how you could be so serious about upholding Indonesian law, to the point of advocating another Australian to be taken out to some island, blindfolded and shot in the chest? It's not right. It's inhumane. Anyone thinking tough titties imagine if it was your son or daughter?

I don't get how you could be so serious about upholding Indonesian law, to the point of advocating another Australian to be taken out to some island, blindfolded and shot in the chest? It's not right. It's inhumane. Anyone thinking tough titties imagine if it was your son or daughter?

Quote from: PassIt2Carrots – on February 07, 2015, 07:54:55 pm

I don't get how you could be so serious about upholding Indonesian law, to the point of advocating another Australian to be taken out to some island, blindfolded and shot in the chest? It's not right. It's inhumane. Anyone thinking tough titties imagine if it was your son or daughter?

Carrots I'm in your corner but I just thought I should highlight the "Australian" slant because it should not matter what nationality in this circumstance. As you said it's "inhumane."

Quote from: PassIt2Carrots – on February 07, 2015, 07:54:55 pm

I don't get how you could be so serious about upholding Indonesian law, to the point of advocating another Australian to be taken out to some island, blindfolded and shot in the chest? It's not right. It's inhumane. Anyone thinking tough titties imagine if it was your son or daughter?

Carrots I'm in your corner but I just thought I should highlight the "Australian" slant because it should not matter what nationality in this circumstance. As you said it's "inhumane."

Quote from: PassIt2Carrots – on February 07, 2015, 07:54:55 pm

Quote from: Gointocarlton – on February 07, 2015, 07:34:44 pm

Quote from: PassIt2Carrots – on February 07, 2015, 07:21:25 pm

I'm sorry about what happened to your father, but does that mean for you it's not about being morally right? You want them executed because they broke a law.

For me its simple, its not about what I think or what you think, its about being a law abiding citizen. Break the law, any law, you pay the price. Black and white, no shades for grey. What morally right? Your opinion and mine is 180 degrees opposed therefore we can never agree. Thats where the law steps in. They have been found guilty of an offence in Bali which carries the death penalty. For me, end of argument.

I don't get how you could be so serious about upholding Indonesian law, to the point of advocating another Australian to be taken out to some island, blindfolded and shot in the chest? It's not right. It's inhumane. Anyone thinking tough titties imagine if it was your son or daughter?

But I ask again, were they thinking of their families when they went over there to traffic drugs? Clearly not, they didn't give a flying fork about anyone. I feel for their family members, they are the ones suffering most. However the Indonesian Law or Government didn't put their families through this, the two lads did. Inhumane? Probably is but they knew the consequences and rolled the dice. They didn't value their own lives much given the risk they took, why should we now. You make it sound sound like I am on the steps of parliament with placards saying "Death to all Bali drug traffickers".  I simply stated that I don't have any sympathy for the blokes for the reasons outline above. Lets just leave it at that.

I'd like to know how many drug addicts, drug users are in Indonesia and that if they think by executing a handful of traffickers every year will reduce the number?
I guess the answer is a lot, lots & lots & NO

The Indonesians are hypocrites, especially as the drugs being carried by the Bali 9 were destined for Australia. Walk down any street in Kuta and you'll be offered drugs. It's a farce.

Quote from: c4e – on February 09, 2015, 03:18:25 pm

I'd like to know how many drug addicts, drug users are in Indonesia and that if they think by executing a handful of traffickers every year will reduce the number?
I guess the answer is a lot, lots & lots & NO

A lot of drugs that are illegal here are not even outlawed there, that is the stupid thing!

For example teenage kids all over Indonesia load up on magic mushrooms and other similar "native" sources of hallucinogenics and there are no recriminations for doing so. It's a joke they often play on mates at parties, someone dumps some mushroom in somebodies drink or food.

The problem I have with the situation is that you can keep killing messengers all you like, the Mr Bigs of the the drug scene don't give a stuff, in fact that is what they want. They'll keep threatening peoples families and the drug mules will keep taking the risks to save the ones they love.

The last thing Mr Big wants is a bunch of failed drug mules informing, the best thing authorities could do is get all these drug mules on-side as a group and have them rip the Mr Bigs a new one!