Carlton Supporters Club

Quote from: thrunthrublu – on December 05, 2013, 03:45:22 pm

the conundrum is that there simply is no money in the til
tightening the belt is long arduous and unpopular .
Unfortunately, there was a lot of waste in the last 6 years
regardless of ideology of policy and whether one deemed it to be successful or not

The problem with using a term like "waste" in an argument like this is that it is subjective. What is "waste"?

Is a university spot a waste?

What about a hospital bed, is that a waste?

Perhaps cuts to such are considered to be a "saving', I suppose until you need one it is?

How about some diplomacy is offering some a waste? Given the diplomatic state of things today is unraveling over three decades of diplomatic effort in just a week or two also a waste?

Is waste selling gun boats to a semi-gorilla controlled democracy a waste of human life or is it just irresponsible?

Is cutting emission controls a waste? Perhaps we are going to turn the carbons around and send them home if they try to cross our border without permission!

Is canceling an ultra long life cheap to operate low maintenance fibre optic network a waste? Is replacing the same with high maintenance high cost 100 year old copper wire based network also a waste? Where is the smartness, where are the savings?

Quote from: LP – on December 05, 2013, 04:45:07 pm

Quote from: thrunthrublu – on December 05, 2013, 03:45:22 pm

the conundrum is that there simply is no money in the til
tightening the belt is long arduous and unpopular .
Unfortunately, there was a lot of waste in the last 6 years
regardless of ideology of policy and whether one deemed it to be successful or not

The problem with using a term like "waste" in an argument like this is that it is subjective. What is "waste"?

Is a university spot a waste?

What about a hospital bed, is that a waste?

Perhaps cuts to such are considered to be a "saving', I suppose until you need one it is?

How about some diplomacy is offering some a waste? Given the diplomatic state of things today is unraveling over three decades of diplomatic effort in just a week or two also a waste?

Is waste selling gun boats to a semi-gorilla controlled democracy a waste of human life or is it just irresponsible?

Is cutting emission controls a waste? Perhaps we are going to turn the carbons around and send them home if they try to cross our border without permission!

Is canceling an ultra long life cheap to operate low maintenance fibre optic network a waste? Is replacing the same with high maintenance high cost 100 year old copper wire based network also a waste? Where is the smartness, where are the savings?

having a first home buyers grant available to anyone that's a first home buyer - it should have been means tested
pink batts - millions were lost in that rort, and continues to loose with investigations etc
the millions in focus group researchers and "consultants"
I m all for innovation, but sometimes the haste and cost and the somewhat blind spending, to what appears to be a politicians legacy
comes at a cost, which must produce a gain, directly or indirectly

having a first home buyers grant available to anyone that's a first home buyer - it should have been means tested
pink batts - millions were lost in that rort, and continues to loose with investigations etc
the millions in focus group researchers and "consultants"
I m all for innovation, but sometimes the haste and cost and the somewhat blind spending, to what appears to be a politicians legacy
comes at a cost, which must produce a gain, directly or indirectly

Quote from: thrunthrublu – on December 05, 2013, 06:22:51 pm

having a first home buyers grant available to anyone that's a first home buyer - it should have been means tested
pink batts - millions were lost in that rort, and continues to loose with investigations etc
the millions in focus group researchers and "consultants"
I m all for innovation, but sometimes the haste and cost and the somewhat blind spending, to what appears to be a politicians legacy
comes at a cost, which must produce a gain, directly or indirectly

It is not exclusive this waste issue.

Superannuation incentives through tax breaks that only millionaires or billionaires can access?

A publicly funded maternity scheme that is open to millionaires and billionaires?

Innovation is good, rolling out more copper phone lines and cutting education is not innovative it is archaic.

This is the whole point at the moment, the blokes who sold themselves as the great fiscal managers are going to weddings and building private libraries using tax payer funds. Can I have a tax deduction for attending my cousins wedding?

Hard to see how any of them can claim the high moral, ethical or economic ground!

They are all pigs at the trough, and equally as bad!

Quote from: LP – on December 05, 2013, 09:07:18 pm

Quote from: thrunthrublu – on December 05, 2013, 06:22:51 pm

having a first home buyers grant available to anyone that's a first home buyer - it should have been means tested
pink batts - millions were lost in that rort, and continues to loose with investigations etc
the millions in focus group researchers and "consultants"
I m all for innovation, but sometimes the haste and cost and the somewhat blind spending, to what appears to be a politicians legacy
comes at a cost, which must produce a gain, directly or indirectly

It is not exclusive this waste issue.

Superannuation incentives through tax breaks that only millionaires or billionaires can access?

A publicly funded maternity scheme that is open to millionaires and billionaires?

Innovation is good, rolling out more copper phone lines and cutting education is not innovative it is archaic.

This is the whole point at the moment, the blokes who sold themselves as the great fiscal managers are going to weddings and building private libraries using tax payer funds. Can I have a tax deduction for attending my cousins wedding?

Hard to see how any of them can claim the high moral, ethical or economic ground!

They are all pigs at the trough, and equally as bad!

I agree, this country aint like it used to be

More pokes at the prince I see, a battle looms large.

Abbott vs Turnbull is coming!

The events, rumors and reports almost mirror the days of Hawke and Keating. The older among you have seen this all before!

While Abbott is busy on his pedestal fixing the leaky ceiling, Turnbull chips away at the foundations!

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Add to that I see Tony is returning to his progressive ways, and fixing the leaks by shooting the messengers full of holes!

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Hard to believe he was voted in, or is it the other were voted out!

Tone was the attack dog required to get rid of Gillard and the Kruddster. Now to bring on Malcolm to guide the country forward??
Tone's probably still got the numbers.

Quote from: cookie2 – on December 16, 2013, 06:28:30 pm

Tone was the attack dog required to get rid of Gillard and the Kruddster. Now to bring on Malcolm to guide the country forward??
Tone's probably still got the numbers.

Don't under estimate Turnbull, he's a smart cookie Cookie.

Quote from: Juddkreuzer – on December 16, 2013, 06:44:00 pm

Quote from: cookie2 – on December 16, 2013, 06:28:30 pm

Tone was the attack dog required to get rid of Gillard and the Kruddster. Now to bring on Malcolm to guide the country forward??
Tone's probably still got the numbers.

Don't under estimate Turnbull, he's a smart cookie Cookie.

He's very very smart JK and I certainly wouldn't underestimate him, but it may take him a bit longer to displace Tone, that's all. 

Here we go again,

http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/prime-minister-tony-abbott-breaches-royal-protocol-with-an-arm-round-prince-william-20140424-zqz2g.html

I hope like hell that the British tabloids and monarchists make a huge issue out of this. Would love nothing more than the republican debate to be reignited.