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Who is in our best 22?

1 - Jack Silvagni
[ 7 ] (1.6%)
2 - Lachie Cowan
[ 13 ] (3%)
3 - Jesse Motlop
[ 11 ] (2.5%)
4 - Oliver Hollands
[ 13 ] (3%)
5 - Adam Cerra
[ 20 ] (4.6%)
6 - Zac Williams
[ 20 ] (4.6%)
7 - Jagga Smith
[ 15 ] (3.4%)
8 - Lachie Fogarty
[ 13 ] (3%)
9 - Patrick Cripps
[ 20 ] (4.6%)
10 - Harry McKay
[ 20 ] (4.6%)
11 - Mitch McGovern
[ 19 ] (4.3%)
12 - Tom De Koning
[ 20 ] (4.6%)
13 - Blake Acres
[ 20 ] (4.6%)
14 - Orazio Fantasia
[ 1 ] (0.2%)
15 - Sam Docherty
[ 15 ] (3.4%)
16 - Ben Camporeale
[ 0 ] (0%)
17 - Brodie Kemp
[ 16 ] (3.6%)
18 - Sam Walsh
[ 20 ] (4.6%)
19 - Corey Durdin
[ 2 ] (0.5%)
20 - Elijah Hollands
[ 19 ] (4.3%)
21 - Lucas Camporeale
[ 0 ] (0%)
22 - Harry O'Farrell
[ 0 ] (0%)
23 - Jacob Weitering
[ 20 ] (4.6%)
24 - Nick Newman
[ 19 ] (4.3%)
25 - Jaxon Binns
[ 1 ] (0.2%)
26 - Nick Haynes
[ 14 ] (3.2%)
27 - Marc Pittonet
[ 0 ] (0%)
28 - Harry Charleson
[ 0 ] (0%)
29 - George Hewitt
[ 20 ] (4.6%)
30 - Charlie Curnow
[ 20 ] (4.6%)
31 - Harry Lemmey
[ 0 ] (0%)
33 - Lewis Young
[ 4 ] (0.9%)
34 - Rob Monahan
[ 0 ] (0%)
35 - Billy Wilson
[ 0 ] (0%)
36 - Cooper Lord
[ 4 ] (0.9%)
37 - Jordan Boyd
[ 12 ] (2.7%)
39 - Alex Cincotta
[ 4 ] (0.9%)
40 - Hudson O'Keeffe
[ 0 ] (0%)
41 - Matt Duffy
[ 1 ] (0.2%)
42 - Adam Saad
[ 20 ] (4.6%)
43 - Ashton Moir
[ 5 ] (1.1%)
46 - Matthew Cottrell
[ 11 ] (2.5%)

Total Members Voted: 20

Topic: Pick your best 22 of 2025 - Part 1 - Pre-season (Read 13537 times) previous topic - next topic
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Re: Pick your best 22 of 2025 - Part 1 - Pre-season

Reply #45
You have to have your own game style and not try and emulate or compete with other teams perfected game style.
Trying to load up on too many quick players won't be any use if they can't get the ball or deliver it properly.
Our game is a heavily congested style where our big coalface mids bully the opposition and dominate the clearances and get the ball to our two key forwards.
I don't want to weaken that in favour of a outside running game and we need to set the agenda and game style not be forced into a high speed running game that suits other teams and who do it better anyway.
We waste a lot of forward entries and should be concentrating on better finishing when we have momentum.
Often those wasted opportunities lead to opposition rebound footy where they run the ball quickly forward and score and if we can tidy up our forward work then those pacy rebounds won't be so much of a problem.
100% EB, re game plan you need to stay ahead of the pack not follow and emulate. Modern footy to me is a bit like gridiron (can;t believe I said that), you need a number of "plays" in the playbook to combat the oppositions strengths and weakness. Sure you have to have you own brand but that need to be tweaked from week to week, againgst some teams you need to slow it down, against others you need to run and gun. Against some teams you need to play a little tall, against others you a better off going a little smaller. Horses for courses and flexibility is what's needed.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: Pick your best 22 of 2025 - Part 1 - Pre-season

Reply #46
100% EB, re game plan you need to stay ahead of the pack not follow and emulate. Modern footy to me is a bit like gridiron (can;t believe I said that), you need a number of "plays" in the playbook to combat the oppositions strengths and weakness. Sure you have to have you own brand but that need to be tweaked from week to week, againgst some teams you need to slow it down, against others you need to run and gun. Against some teams you need to play a little tall, against others you a better off going a little smaller. Horses for courses and flexibility is what's needed.

Or you can just back yourself in and trust that your talent and execution will force the opposition to try play catch up footy.

Back when Lindsay Gaze was coaching the Melbourne Tigers, he was more than happy for other teams to use his "shuffle offence" because he was confident that no team could run it as well as his Tigers.  Our 1995 team was a bit like that in that, as long as they were fully focused, they were simply better than everyone else at the game as it was played then. 

We're not quite there yet, but with some tweaking of personnel and improving our transition, we could well be.  As EB said, if we can be more efficient with our forward 50 entries, we will be playing to our strengths and making life a little easier for our defenders.
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

Re: Pick your best 22 of 2025 - Part 1 - Pre-season

Reply #47
100% EB, re game plan you need to stay ahead of the pack not follow and emulate. Modern footy to me is a bit like gridiron (can;t believe I said that), you need a number of "plays" in the playbook to combat the oppositions strengths and weakness. Sure you have to have you own brand but that need to be tweaked from week to week, againgst some teams you need to slow it down, against others you need to run and gun. Against some teams you need to play a little tall, against others you a better off going a little smaller. Horses for courses and flexibility is what's needed.

Or you can just back yourself in and trust that your talent and execution will force the opposition to try play catch up footy.

Back when Lindsay Gaze was coaching the Melbourne Tigers, he was more than happy for other teams to use his "shuffle offence" because he was confident that no team could run it as well as his Tigers.  Our 1995 team was a bit like that in that, as long as they were fully focused, they were simply better than everyone else at the game as it was played then. 

We're not quite there yet, but with some tweaking of personnel and improving our transition, we could well be.  As EB said, if we can be more efficient with our forward 50 entries, we will be playing to our strengths and making life a little easier for our defenders.
I get it, no point slamming in 21 goals if the oppo slam in 22.  I still think we need to be more clever with the tactics employed against oppos with they have at their disposal  on the list from year to year or even week to week. Opposition analysis is a massive thing and when maximised can be very powerful. Not letting them do what they do whilst doing what you do best is lethal. As long as we finished 1st and win the flag this year, Ill be happy.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: Pick your best 22 of 2025 - Part 1 - Pre-season

Reply #48
I get it, no point slamming in 21 goals if the oppo slam in 22.  I still think we need to be more clever with the tactics employed against oppos with they have at their disposal  on the list from year to year or even week to week. Opposition analysis is a massive thing and when maximised can be very powerful. Not letting them do what they do whilst doing what you do best is lethal. As long as we finished 1st and win the flag this year, I’ll be happy.

I suspect that you won’t be the only happy supporter 🙂🤞

I don’t think that you can underestimate the importance of opposition analysis.  Experimenting with Kempy playing a defensive role on Weiters suggests that we have looking ahead to the tactics that could be used against us and what we may use against others.

Negating opposition guns is obviously an opposition analyst’s objective.  Figuring out how to exploit the opposition’s weaknesses should be equally important.

It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

Re: Pick your best 22 of 2025 - Part 1 - Pre-season

Reply #49
Do we make anything of Z Williams playing across half back for the all-stars?

Re: Pick your best 22 of 2025 - Part 1 - Pre-season

Reply #50
Do we make anything of Z Williams playing across half back for the all-stars?

Too many forwards in the all-star squad?
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

Re: Pick your best 22 of 2025 - Part 1 - Pre-season

Reply #51
Do we make anything of Z Williams playing across half back for the all-stars?

I think he'll be glad to get back to the forward line!
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17


Re: Pick your best 22 of 2025 - Part 1 - Pre-season

Reply #53
Do we make anything of Z Williams playing across half back for the all-stars?

I wouldn't think so. Aside the advantage we're building in terms of flexibility.
Coming together is the beginning.
Keeping together is progress.
Working together is success.
Henry Ford.

Re: Pick your best 22 of 2025 - Part 1 - Pre-season

Reply #54


Too many forwards in the all-star squad?

I didn't think the same thing, however he looked pretty good across half back.

Zac got thrown down back a few times last season and I think that versatility is something that Vossy values.

However, if our match sims are any guide, Zac is  much better value as a forward, both for his aggressive, creative forward play and his defensive work when we lose possession. 

I suspect we’ll see Zac in the backline from time to time and I think that we’ll finally see more productive midfield minutes from him, but his main gig will be as a medium forward.

It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

Re: Pick your best 22 of 2025 - Part 1 - Pre-season

Reply #55
We waste a lot of forward entries and should be concentrating on better finishing when we have momentum.


This

The number of times, over the past couple of years, that we dominate passages of play, and you look up, and 10mins later we have only kicked 1 goal from that domination.  you need to put the foot on the oppo throat, when you are dominating.  momentum can turn pretty quick, and if they capitlaise, after you didnt, then its all over

Re: Pick your best 22 of 2025 - Part 1 - Pre-season

Reply #56
Do we make anything of Z Williams playing across half back for the all-stars?

The all-stars always have a larger than normal number of small forward options available to them.

Not as many wise heads who have done their time at half back by comparison.

Zac is no spring chicken. He is holding a spot in the forward line until the new breed come through.
We don't need him to do the same at half back because we have a few old heads there already, as well as some new kids coming through.

IMO Zac will still start forward with us.
Injuries, form and circumstances may change that though.

Re: Pick your best 22 of 2025 - Part 1 - Pre-season

Reply #57
I'm not going to suggest he is in our best line-up just yet but I reckon O'Keefe will get some senior games this year.
"The Other Teams Can Rot In Hell"

 

Re: Pick your best 22 of 2025 - Part 1 - Pre-season

Reply #58
Do we make anything of Z Williams playing across half back for the all-stars?

The all-stars always have a larger than normal number of small forward options available to them.

Not as many wise heads who have done their time at half back by comparison.

Zac is no spring chicken. He is holding a spot in the forward line until the new breed come through.
We don't need him to do the same at half back because we have a few old heads there already, as well as some new kids coming through.

IMO Zac will still start forward with us.
Injuries, form and circumstances may change that though.
Agree he will start forward, thats the only spot where we have been able to get a return out of him, he is a player who needs to be looked after imo as his biggest problem is being able to stay on the park and remain injury free.
If he is wandering around half back or in the middle where he has to cover more ground and do more running then I could only see him aggravating his achilles and being back on the injury list.

Re: Pick your best 22 of 2025 - Part 1 - Pre-season

Reply #59


The all-stars always have a larger than normal number of small forward options available to them.

Not as many wise heads who have done their time at half back by comparison.

Zac is no spring chicken. He is holding a spot in the forward line until the new breed come through.
We don't need him to do the same at half back because we have a few old heads there already, as well as some new kids coming through.

IMO Zac will still start forward with us.
Injuries, form and circumstances may change that though.
Agree he will start forward, thats the only spot where we have been able to get a return out of him, he is a player who needs to be looked after imo as his biggest problem is being able to stay on the park and remain injury free.
If he is wandering around half back or in the middle where he has to cover more ground and do more running then I could only see him aggravating his achilles and being back on the injury list.

Not sure that holds up EB.  Like almost all forwards these days, Zac is continually running the length of the ground and he is definitely spending time in the midfield in the match sims.  He is also involved in plenty of chains of possessions from halfback.

 You can’t really “hide” an injury prone player in the modern game.  Zac will either get through the season doing what’s expected of every other player … or he won’t 🤞
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!