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Reply #15 –
Quote from: DJC – on
Similarly, the creation of Israel ignored centuries of coexistence of Arabs, Christians and Jews in Palestine.
It was coexistence but the term coexistence doesn't imply peaceful, it was much closer to murderous.

It's a bit arbitrary to look at the Middle East and blame it's problems on colonialism.

A great example is the destruction of various cultural heritage sites, this is a direct attack by a tribe on sites connected to a history before colonialism even existed.

I think it's too easy for people to find a correlation and point a finger at one cause for all the world's problems, at the moment it seems to be colonialism is the flavour of the month.
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Reply #16 –
Never ones to miss an opportunity, with the Syrian armed forces in disarray Israel is bombing the crap out of Syrian military facilities.

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Reply #17 –
Quote from: Lods – on
Never ones to miss an opportunity, with the Syrian armed forces in disarray Israel is bombing the crap out of Syrian military facilities.
You get why Israel do this stuff, if that weaponry falls into the hands of the rebels its probably going to end up being used against them. Surviving as a Jewish state in the middle east means being a strong Military power and looking after your interests when you can. They wont be playing by the rules or taking too many prisoners but you know what you are getting yourself into if you mess with them and why these other surrounding countries feck with them and then complain later about the repercussions always mystifies me.

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Reply #18 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
Quote from: Lods – on
Never ones to miss an opportunity, with the Syrian armed forces in disarray Israel is bombing the crap out of Syrian military facilities.
You get why Israel do this stuff, if that weaponry falls into the hands of the rebels its probably going to end up being used against them. Surviving as a Jewish state in the middle east means being a strong Military power and looking after your interests when you can. They wont be playing by the rules or taking too many prisoners but you know what you are getting yourself into if you mess with them and why these other surrounding countries feck with them and then complain later about the repercussions always mystifies me.
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Reply #19 –
Quote from: Lods – on
Never ones to miss an opportunity, with the Syrian armed forces in disarray Israel is bombing the crap out of Syrian military facilities.
So were the accusations of the last few days the early stages of an excuse?

Even potentially worse, it's not beyond possibility that the actual fire in Melbourne was a False Flag operation, designed to incite support for further bombing of opponents. History is littered with such events.

Unfortunately, Albo is looking like a pawn(schlep), someone left to carry the blame!
"Ruck, ruck, ruck, ruck ....... Ruck, ruck, ruck, ruck"

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Reply #20 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
Quote from: Lods – on
Never ones to miss an opportunity, with the Syrian armed forces in disarray Israel is bombing the crap out of Syrian military facilities.
You get why Israel do this stuff, if that weaponry falls into the hands of the rebels its probably going to end up being used against them. Surviving as a Jewish state in the middle east means being a strong Military power and looking after your interests when you can. They wont be playing by the rules or taking too many prisoners but you know what you are getting yourself into if you mess with them and why these other surrounding countries feck with them and then complain later about the repercussions always mystifies me.

You could apply that to the middle east in general.  They only crack it about Israel, because they got a massive leg up, got some prime lands handed to them, and know that irrespective of how that plays out, Israel have the mighty US behind them, because thats how they keep their foothold their.

They also have a proxy in Turkey, so either way, the USA is happy maintaining the status quo, and you can see it in the language used to describe the same action.  Israel protect their citizens, the rest are terrorists.  Last I checked Terror can be waged by both sides of the fence, with the only difference being the identity of those being terrorised.
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Reply #21 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on

You get why Israel do this stuff, if that weaponry falls into the hands of the rebels its probably going to end up being used against them. Surviving as a Jewish state in the middle east means being a strong Military power and looking after your interests when you can. They wont be playing by the rules or taking too many prisoners but you know what you are getting yourself into if you mess with them and why these other surrounding countries feck with them and then complain later about the repercussions always mystifies me.

You could apply that to the middle east in general.  They only crack it about Israel, because they got a massive leg up, got some prime lands handed to them, and know that irrespective of how that plays out, Israel have the mighty US behind them, because thats how they keep their foothold their.

They also have a proxy in Turkey, so either way, the USA is happy maintaining the status quo, and you can see it in the language used to describe the same action.  Israel protect their citizens, the rest are terrorists.  Last I checked Terror can be waged by both sides of the fence, with the only difference being the identity of those being terrorised.
No doubt the USA are happy to support Israel and protect their interests ie Oil and strategic areas in the region and they wrongly also turn a blind eye when Israel go too far and decide to annihilate everything in their path as part of their revenge agendas.
Turkey are happy to sit on the fence and be Switzerland, happy to be a NATO country but equally happy to have good relations with Russia, the latter consider all NATO countries as non friendly but not Turkey even though Turkey is a lynch pin country for the USA and NATO in that part of the world.
Its a funny setup in the middle east  but as you say its about the status quo and principles/decency dont count for much which either side/s you are on...

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Reply #22 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
Quote from: Thryleon – on


You could apply that to the middle east in general.  They only crack it about Israel, because they got a massive leg up, got some prime lands handed to them, and know that irrespective of how that plays out, Israel have the mighty US behind them, because thats how they keep their foothold their.

They also have a proxy in Turkey, so either way, the USA is happy maintaining the status quo, and you can see it in the language used to describe the same action.  Israel protect their citizens, the rest are terrorists.  Last I checked Terror can be waged by both sides of the fence, with the only difference being the identity of those being terrorised.
No doubt the USA are happy to support Israel and protect their interests ie Oil and strategic areas in the region and they wrongly also turn a blind eye when Israel go too far and decide to annihilate everything in their path as part of their revenge agendas.
Turkey are happy to sit on the fence and be Switzerland, happy to be a NATO country but equally happy to have good relations with Russia, the latter consider all NATO countries as non friendly but not Turkey even though Turkey is a lynch pin country for the USA and NATO in that part of the world.
Its a funny setup in the middle east  but as you say its about the status quo and principles/decency dont count for much which either side/s you are on...

I believe Erdogan has his eyes on taking over Aleppo which was once a part of Turkey.
Reality always wins in the end.

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Reply #23 –
It's the same names you hear, over and over and over again!
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Reply #24 –
Quote from: LP – on
Quote from: Lods – on
Never ones to miss an opportunity, with the Syrian armed forces in disarray Israel is bombing the crap out of Syrian military facilities.
So were the accusations of the last few days the early stages of an excuse?

Even potentially worse, it's not beyond possibility that the actual fire in Melbourne was a False Flag operation, designed to incite support for further bombing of opponents. History is littered with such events.

Unfortunately, Albo is looking like a pawn(schlep), someone left to carry the blame!

I don't think it's any more sinister than what EB described a few posts above.
Syria has been a concern for Israel.
The future of Syria is uncertain.
Weapons, ships and aircraft could fall to a group that could pose a greater threat to Israel than the deposed regime.
So they've taken the opportunity to degrade that potential by as much as possible while Syria is still sorting itself out.

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Reply #25 –
Quote from: cookie2 – on
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on

No doubt the USA are happy to support Israel and protect their interests ie Oil and strategic areas in the region and they wrongly also turn a blind eye when Israel go too far and decide to annihilate everything in their path as part of their revenge agendas.
Turkey are happy to sit on the fence and be Switzerland, happy to be a NATO country but equally happy to have good relations with Russia, the latter consider all NATO countries as non friendly but not Turkey even though Turkey is a lynch pin country for the USA and NATO in that part of the world.
Its a funny setup in the middle east  but as you say its about the status quo and principles/decency dont count for much which either side/s you are on...

I believe Erdogan has his eyes on taking over Aleppo which was once a part of Turkey.
If he had his way, his name would be Grand sultan Erdogan, and it would be the Ottoman Empire all over again.

Alleppo was technically never part of Turkey as Turkey is what remains of the Ottoman Empire.  A melting pot nation with a mixed identity, that technically is far West of its roots. 

"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

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Reply #26 –
Quote from: cookie2 – on
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on

No doubt the USA are happy to support Israel and protect their interests ie Oil and strategic areas in the region and they wrongly also turn a blind eye when Israel go too far and decide to annihilate everything in their path as part of their revenge agendas.
Turkey are happy to sit on the fence and be Switzerland, happy to be a NATO country but equally happy to have good relations with Russia, the latter consider all NATO countries as non friendly but not Turkey even though Turkey is a lynch pin country for the USA and NATO in that part of the world.
Its a funny setup in the middle east  but as you say its about the status quo and principles/decency dont count for much which either side/s you are on...

I believe Erdogan has his eyes on taking over Aleppo which was once a part of Turkey.
Erdogan is an opportunist and Turkey's political clout has improved with the Syrian Govt falling, seems to have endeared himself to a lot of different countries and political groups apart from Israel in recent times and it will be interesting to see how the Trump administration handle him and whether or not they allow him to continue to try and be peacemaker with Russia/Ukraine etc and have a say in Syrian affairs or they clamp down on him and tell him who the boss is.