Re: AFL 2024 Elimination Final 1 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane Reply #240 – September 09, 2024, 07:17:20 pm I have not read every post but i am guessing what i am thinking or want to say has been said. I have heard this comment many times from the media (not necessary about this game) but EFFORT does not require talent and in the first half thats what alot of our players lacked effort.I am not sure we can afford to bring a big broom to sweep out players. I just hope that the people who have our club in their hands know what they plan to do.Do we dare say maybe 2025 for a team that plays a consistent brand of football. Quote Selected 2 Likes
Re: AFL 2024 Elimination Final 1 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane Reply #241 – September 09, 2024, 07:43:07 pm Quote from: LP – on September 09, 2024, 06:38:33 pmI can't recall seeing Cerra look right all season, he's been a shadow of himself.Cerra was fine through the first 5 games, then did his first hammy and was never the same again Quote Selected
Re: AFL 2024 Elimination Final 1 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane Reply #242 – September 09, 2024, 07:46:42 pm Quote from: LP – on September 09, 2024, 06:38:33 pmI can't recall seeing Cerra look right all season, he's been a shadow of himself.the night he played against Collingwood did him good and proper. Cold Saturday night at the G. Quote Selected
Re: AFL 2024 Elimination Final 1 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane Reply #243 – September 09, 2024, 07:47:46 pm Quote from: Lods – on September 09, 2024, 04:46:55 pmI'm sorry...I just cant see it.Do folks really think the addition of Binns, Lord and Moir would have made a difference to that start?We were being thrashed in the midfield.Our 'elite' midfielders were getting soundly beaten. Would our youngsters like Binns and Lord fared better than a Cripps, Walsh, HewettOur pressure and attack on the ball and opposition players was miles off...from our better players.The only change that would possibly have made a bit of difference was if we'd had DeKoning starting earlier.Our maligned small forwards were ineffectual because the ball didn't get down there until just before half-timeBinns, Lord and Moir were in the games against West Coast (where we just fell over the line) and St Kilda (where we just didn't)So how can it possibly be argued they'd have made a difference in a finals match against Brisbane in Brisbane.They would probably have struggled to match their efforts of the preceeding weeks and we'd have been criticised for throwing them to the wolves.The argument was.... we had a few returning experienced players who we could mix them in with,A mix of youth and experienced returning players....as long as they're all fit, was the best selection according to popular theory.Who?The two returnees who had most impact were McKay (9 touches) and DeKoning (deemed "not guaranteed to play an entire game".)We got seduced and excited about a few kids.It was good experience for them to play the last couple of gamesThey look like being solid players.A bit of finals experience may have been good, but that would be the reason to pick them....not because they were ever going to make a difference.We lost it because the injuries left too many of our players short of a gallop.And our pressure was miles off our best.yes but in the first half we went inside fifty 24 times according to the stats. It came straight out. That's who we kicked it to and the forwards not getting busy enough. Quote Selected
Re: AFL 2024 Elimination Final 1 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane Reply #244 – September 09, 2024, 08:09:35 pm Quote from: Thryleon – on September 09, 2024, 07:47:46 pmyes but in the first half we went inside fifty 24 times according to the stats. It came straight out. That's who we kicked it to and the forwards not getting busy enough. YepThat's an example where stats tell only half a story.The ball went in and came straight back out.They controlled the air and delivery inside 50 was poor.On the ground it broke down around half-forward so a lot of those entries were shallow and they were able to mount attacks.A lot of that is not due to anything other than a lack of defensive pressure in the forward line and that's why the scoreline ended up 60-0 Quote Selected
Re: AFL 2024 Elimination Final 1 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane Reply #245 – September 09, 2024, 08:33:15 pm 16 scoring shots from 56 Inside 50's is a terrible return. Just a dirty night all round. Quote Selected 1 Likes
Re: AFL 2024 Elimination Final 1 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane Reply #246 – September 09, 2024, 08:36:51 pm Quote from: PaulP – on September 09, 2024, 08:33:15 pm16 scoring shots from 56 Inside 50's is a terrible return. Just a dirty night all round.I'd love to know the I50 count for both sides in the first 56 mins. Quote Selected
Re: AFL 2024 Elimination Final 1 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane Reply #247 – September 09, 2024, 08:38:58 pm Quote from: Lods – on September 09, 2024, 08:09:35 pmYepThat's an example where stats tell only half a story.The ball went in and came straight back out.They controlled the air and delivery inside 50 was poor.On the ground it broke down around half-forward so a lot of those entries were shallow and they were able to mount attacks.A lot of that is not due to anything other than a lack of defensive pressure in the forward line and that's why the scoreline ended up 60-0which is where the small forwards cop a bit of grief.It's one thing to say it didn't get down there but it popped out way too easily and a lot of them were unsighted for too long. Quote Selected
Re: AFL 2024 Elimination Final 1 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane Reply #248 – September 09, 2024, 08:39:34 pm Quote from: Gointocarlton – on September 09, 2024, 08:36:51 pmI'd love to know the I50 count for both sides in the first 56 mins.from memory Brisbane went in 10 times more so 34. I saw it on the scoreboard at half time so it may be inaccurate two days later. Quote Selected
Re: AFL 2024 Elimination Final 1 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane Reply #249 – September 09, 2024, 09:47:15 pm Quote from: Thryleon – on September 09, 2024, 07:47:46 pmyes but in the first half we went inside fifty 24 times according to the stats. It came straight out. That's who we kicked it to and the forwards not getting busy enough.....and potentially who was doing the kicking! Quote Selected
Re: AFL 2024 Elimination Final 1 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane Reply #250 – September 09, 2024, 11:28:08 pm So I watched the first half up to our first goalqtr timeBris 19 I50s to Carl 8Bris 5.5.35 to Carl 0.0.0at the first Carl goal by CrippsBris 29 I50s to Carl 20Bris 9.6.60 to Carl 1.0.6It was hard to watch but I just wanted to know Quote Selected
Re: AFL 2024 Elimination Final 1 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane Reply #251 – September 10, 2024, 12:00:25 am Quote from: Gointocarlton – on September 09, 2024, 11:28:08 pmSo I watched the first half up to our first goalqtr timeBris 19 I50s to Carl 8Bris 5.5.35 to Carl 0.0.0at the first Carl goal by CrippsBris 29 I50s to Carl 20Bris 9.6.60 to Carl 1.0.6It was hard to watch but I just wanted to knowInside 50's ended up even 56-56Don't go back and torture yourself again but An interesting one or two from that 60-0 time would be ...How many times in that period the ball entering our 50 was marked by a Brisbane player.How many times first contact from our inside 50 was a Brisbane player who then saw it out of the 50 Quote Selected Last Edit: September 10, 2024, 12:20:29 am by Lods 1 Likes
Re: AFL 2024 Elimination Final 1 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane Reply #252 – September 10, 2024, 01:45:34 am I50 is a deceptive stat, it can mean barely a step inside the arc on the boundary line or in the corridor at the top of the goalsquare. Quote Selected
Re: AFL 2024 Elimination Final 1 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane Reply #253 – September 10, 2024, 03:44:22 am Quote from: Gointocarlton – on September 09, 2024, 05:22:10 pm👏👏👏👏And just on players returning from injury, look at Papley's stats, 2 goals, 4 scores assists in the last qtr, elite.If you want it enough you'll get, they (the midfield especially early) just didn't want it.That's one and didn't miss alot with repeat injuries.Swans weren't bringing back multiple half fit, underdone players and leaving other out of form ones in. We should have played our fittest possible side. Blokes we had weren't fit enough to get close to anything when the game was hot. Young blokes would have been able too, applied a bit of pressure rather than allowing the likes Zorko to do what he wanted. Makes a huge difference. Many not have won but would not have been 60-0 either. Would have made them work for it a little more.Only.the fittest succeed in finals. Proven.for over 100 years.As thry say, those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it. 80% fit gives 20% output.This season was just a total f up by all concerned at the top from the fitness bloke to.poor team selection. Quote Selected Last Edit: September 10, 2024, 03:48:16 am by laj
Re: AFL 2024 Elimination Final 1 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane Reply #254 – September 10, 2024, 07:05:16 am Quote from: Lods – on September 10, 2024, 12:00:25 amInside 50's ended up even 56-56Don't go back and torture yourself again but An interesting one or two from that 60-0 time would be ...How many times in that period the ball entering our 50 was marked by a Brisbane player.How many times first contact from our inside 50 was a Brisbane player who then saw it out of the 50I made notes on everyone, Ill post tonight after work Quote Selected 2 Likes